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hello higher side shatters you know it's

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not often I jump in before an interview

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to add context but a lot of

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unprecedented things are happenin these

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days of course as I've mentioned the

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coronavirus chaos really caused me to

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have to change up the order of

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interviews and scramble to get some that

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truly addressed the situation out to you

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first like I've said before it's kind of

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like recording for interviews right

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before 9/11 you can't just proceed as

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scheduled and have several weeks go by

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without addressing this big crazy

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situation that just happened and it's

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bittersweet because this was the main

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interview that kind of had to be put on

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the backburner and it's with a guest

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that I've been wanting to sit down with

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for years so I kind of hate to have this

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small asterisk on it but we did make it

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happen and I finally got a chance to ask

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him some of the things I've wanted to

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hear him weigh in on things we might

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call ufology or disclosure adjacent and

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then boom we kind of hit this full-on

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worldwide threat level midnight

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situation so I apologized to him for the

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long delay but towards the end of the

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first hour Richard does share his

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thoughts on the state of things and the

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technocracy and the surveillance state

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and in these new strange times just a

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few weeks later his words have even more

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weight I would say but I hope you're all

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keeping your humanity and really taking

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care of the people around you who need

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it and that said as I listened back to

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this one it's actually crazy how

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medicinal it is to hear a conversation

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from just three weeks ago when there was

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still some air left in the room for non

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virus related content but here we are

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let's get to it

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in the 1930s President Franklin Delano

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Roosevelt addressed the nation through a

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series of radio broadcast known as the

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fireside chats his aim was to reassure

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the common man that our society would

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recover from its troubled times

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well we're far from 1930 and I deal with

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a different kind of fire a worldly

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frustration we offer

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a brush conversation I'm Greg Carl wood

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and these are the higher side it's the

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end of the world as we know it people

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but I feel fine from sunny San Diego I'm

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Greg Carl wood just trying to navigate

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the rough and rugged waters of the vast

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conspiracy and despite our ongoing

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plethora of human problems from the

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societal slip into a screen obsessed

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dystopia surveillance state and a

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corporate capstone cabal of controllers

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hell-bent on feeding their monopoly

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mindset it's really the nonhuman

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problems that interest me most because

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from the oldest cave paintings and

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indigenous rituals to ancient texts that

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tell stories of fiery chariots and

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flying wheels it seems that something

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else has been interacting with mankind

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for about as far back as we can see pile

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on the rich Celtic lore of visitations

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exchanges and missing time from

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interactions with the little green

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people they call fairies Constantine's

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fiery cross in the sky centuries of

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spirits summoning from the grimoire

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tradition the american roswell the

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russian roswell the battle for los

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angeles event Marian apparitions the

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Chandler's crop circles in oh yeah the

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bountiful cornucopia of contemporary

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contact experiences craft sightings and

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abductions that we know about and

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probably thousands more that just kept

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quiet add it all up and it almost makes

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you want to check the skies instead of

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Twitter almost but occasionally even I

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put my phone down long enough to wonder

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if we are seeing something akin to our

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non-human overlords checking up on the

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beans they built in our human terrarium

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or if too many magicians have left their

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portals open through the years or even

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if we're being bagged and tagged in some

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cosmic human wildlife preserve or

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alien-human hybrid program

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well big questions require big guests

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and we got the grand pooh-bah of UFO

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politics and alien encounter studies

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with us today

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his name is Richard Dolan and he's one

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of the world's leading researchers and

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writers on these subjects with books

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like UFOs for the 21st century mind ad

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after disclosure and the amazing and

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ongoing series UFOs in the national

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security state just to name a few if

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that wasn't enough he's also a

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conspiracy hip historian and has put out

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an amazing series on false flags for guy

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a TV that is truly unlike anything else

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he's appeared nearly everywhere an alien

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enthusiasts could appear and it's a real

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treat to have him here today the great

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guru of UFO history the academic alien

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encounter analyzer and the granddaddy of

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disclosure discourse the almighty

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welcome to the higher side Thank You

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Greg at least I get the guru and

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Almighty phrases in there so it's about

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time yes yes man I had to do it you are

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one of the Great's and I just wanted to

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roll out the digital red carpet

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appropriately I was trying not to thank

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you very much as extremely nice of you

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I'm glad to be on here and I'm looking

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forward to this I have a feeling we're

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gonna have a really great conversation I

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agree and I have read most your work

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seem several conference presentations

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and it amazes me that so many people

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still think this is all much ado about

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nothing when the truth is to say there's

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no evidence for non-human contact is

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actually the anti intellectual or even

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faith-based position you know saying I

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don't want to believe because there's no

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shortage of things to point to is there

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I started on this road more than 25

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years ago now and it was always and has

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always been an evidence-based quest so

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when I started I was still in my 30s

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early 30s and I had a very simple

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question which is there appear to be

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some serious minded people who are

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taking this subject seriously and I'd

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like to know are they onto something or

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should I just ignore this and so I began

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to just find out what is it that these

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believers actually have as evidence how

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strong is the evidence and so on and I

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thought well I'll just take a few months

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out of my life and look into it

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and find out for myself and of course

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that was in the early 1990s I've never

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stopped what I discovered is that in

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terms of the modern emphasis of this a

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modern phenomenon you know since world

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war ii there's an overwhelming

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shockingly large amount of documentation

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proving not hinting not suggesting but

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proving that the United States military

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the United States intelligence community

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has been concerned about this phenomenon

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they don't know what it is this has been

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going on over and over and it's not only

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the United States so you've got the

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Russian the Soviet Union cases you've

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got other nations Britain France all

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other modern militaries have encountered

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these phenomena these objects that don't

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look like ordinary aircraft they don't

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behave like ordinary aircraft we don't

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have any conventional explanation for

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them and it's one thing for them to say

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they're misinterpretation of natural

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phenomena but then when you

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glean the Declassified literature and

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there's enough of it that it is

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unarguable you see that they were not

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believing those explanations they were

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taking this very seriously and they've

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never stock so we've got a real mystery

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on our hands and once I realized that

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fact early on in my research of doing

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this that the government was lying at

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the same time that they were deeply

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engaged in this I was hooked and I've

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been hooked ever since and so you go

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deeper and deeper into it into this

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phenomenon and realize well if they're

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lying about this what else do they lie

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about like for me the UFO subject was

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the wedge that opened up everything else

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that made me question the veracity of

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what I hear in the kind of Alice in

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Wonderland fairy tale world that we live

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in them mm-hmm well said I'm definitely

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driven by similar thoughts and feelings

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our old theme song used to say we know

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they're lying to us just don't know to

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what degree which does allow for you to

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really explore a whole plethora of

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things and I really love having guests

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who have a crossover expertise like

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someone who could compare fairy lore

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with abductions or a cult ritual spirits

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great about you is that you are a

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knowledgeable historian who has a lot of

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insight into how governments operate how

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intelligence agencies maneuver in

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general and then you add this UFO

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history and while I don't think we'll

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ever see top-down disclosure it's having

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this context for both that put you in

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this upper class so I guess let me ask

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what are the general UFO researchers

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missing when it comes to the intricacies

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or nuances of how governments and

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intelligent agencies actually handle

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secrets of this magnitude one thing that

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sound like I'm ripping on other

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researchers but I will just say the vast

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majority of researchers that I've

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encountered to engage in the UFO subject

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don't really know history they don't

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and international geopolitics very well

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at all so they missed this huge element

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of the problem in terms of how this

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whole thing breaks down internationally

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what are the actual goals of the United

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there's just not a lot of knowledge so

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actually it's a frustration for me when

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I talk to it other colleagues people who

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I love in a door people who I don't care

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for as much it doesn't matter I find

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that there's this massive hole in

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historical knowledge just in general or

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skewed you know it's strong in one

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particular area but is very weak in

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others and that includes the whole

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ancient history part of it the ancient

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alien theorists of ancient history I

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don't talk about it a lot but I'm a very

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engaged very active avid student of

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ancient history all phases

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you could tell you like I'm a non-stop

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reader so so even like at the end of the

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night I'm in bed I've got the Kindle and

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thing of mine and I find it a

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frustration frequently when I hear

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people who are talking about ancient

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anomalies

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and it's obvious to me they know nothing

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about the ancient cultures that they're

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talking about or very little and so to

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me that's a frustration is it's a lack

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of historical knowledge and

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understanding and particularly in the

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modern era a lack of international

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geopolitical understanding hmm yes

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cheers to that it is really a

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multidisciplinary thing even if you

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don't want it to be yeah I know you know

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Gordon white and you know has starting a

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conspiracy show a lot of people talk

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about magic in this context really

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provocative stuff and he was one of the

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first ones to say to me well they don't

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know anything about magic they might

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like conspiracy but you can tell they're

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magic knowledge is just in the toilet

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and so in many ways like you really have

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to brush up on so many different areas

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to do this kind of thing right luckily I

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just ask the questions right well I'm a

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big fans portent by the way I

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interviewed him on my program about a

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year ago I guess he's brilliant first of

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all and the thing that I love though is

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it's true I Gordon brings this other

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element of expertise which just simply

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means he has another perspective on this

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subject that's quite valuable and very

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few people offer so I found myself

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learning a lot when I spoke with Gordon

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about this right on right on yes over

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the past ten years he's been here more

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than any other guest right so that's

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kind of funny but I also know that

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you're known for coining the term

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breakaway civilization hats off to yeah

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I love a good term coining and let's

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fold that in because it's not just that

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some intelligent agencies are keeping a

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secret it's that the black budget

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accounting is off by several trillion

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dollars it's pretty well established

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that somewhere some people have been

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working with recovered technology and if

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that's yielded results those who have it

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would seem too advanced to contain what

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are your thoughts on the state of any

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potential development of alien

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technology or a group of people who

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might be beyond being under the thumb of

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any traditional earthly government okay

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there's a lot there so let me just start

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with the likelihood of

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attempts to reverse-engineer tech that

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doesn't come from our civilization my

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view on this is that this is a virtual

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certainty I say virtual I haven't been

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to the labs I haven't I haven't spoken

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directly to anyone who's been in the

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labs

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I have spoken to people who claim to

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have some deep inside knowledge of it

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I've talked about the conversation I had

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many years ago with the late astronaut

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Edgar Mitchell who told me that he knew

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from two specific individuals that had

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deeply classified levels we had

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technology and bodies alien technology

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and alien bodies that were being worked

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on and I've spoken to other people as

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well and I have every confidence in

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those sources on top of that I've gone

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through the research from many decades

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ago people like the late Leonard

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Stringfield oh I'm a huge fan of who

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interviewed dozens scores of individuals

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who got these accounts of reverse

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engineering alien tech and bodies so

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I think that's exactly right I think

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that's exactly what's been happening in

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terms of how deep it goes

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that's really the question about in

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2007-2008 I coined that phrase breakaway

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civilization

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and since you're saying to see how

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that's gotten into the culture my take

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on it is very simple I think of a

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breakaway civilization as a black-budget

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culture kind of on steroids if you

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recognize that our classified world you

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know classified technology they'll keep

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things from us we all know that this is

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true

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I've spoken many times of a conversation

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I had with a former NSA scientist

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civilian scientists back in the 60s who

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told me that in 1965 the NSA had a

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computer running at a clock speed of 600

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megahertz

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that's very slow by today's standards

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but in 1965 a there were no personal

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computers and B there was no personal

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computer that reached that clock speed

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till the year 2000 so 35 years later so

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the NSA which was virtually secret

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agency in 1965 practically no one knew

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about it

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had probably the fastest computer in the

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world and was decades and decades ahead

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of the rest of us so if you take that

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and you factor in ET tech alien tech and

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you factor in the incredible reality as

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we're now learning of privatised secrecy

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privatize special access programs and

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you begin to understand just how deep

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and how secure those privatized programs

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are they are absolutely impervious to

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Public Freedom of Information requests

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so when you look at all of that you have

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to ask yourself what is the likelihood

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that ET tech

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has been worked on the results of that

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Tec classified allowing those scientists

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to build on their own classified

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breakthroughs but of course the rest of

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us are held back on this and so that

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breakaway science that breakthrough

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science would allow them to have new

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ideas new capabilities a new cosmology

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that would qualify them as a separate

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civilization literally when you really

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ask yourself what is it that creates the

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boundaries of the civilization what is

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it how do we define it so that was the

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idea that they've broken away now the

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idea that they don't answer to standard

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governments I think that's right they

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don't but you don't even need the idea

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of a breakaway civilization for that all

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one has to do is study the history of

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wealth the elite of the elite you know

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back in the 1960s a author named

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Ferdinand Lundberg wrote a book called

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the rich and the super-rich I highly

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recommend this book Lundberg had done a

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previous book in the thirties called

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America's 60 willing families he studied

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the highest level of wealth the

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Rockefellers

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[Music]

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Rothschilds and the Morgans and so forth

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and what Lundberg recognized is that

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these aren't just ordinary rich people

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who have better houses better cars than

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you and me these are individuals who can

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purchase governments who can purchase

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entire regions of domains of power they

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don't look at the world the way we look

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at the world and they don't look at us

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the way we look at us so these are

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people who actually run governments and

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that is why precisely why they have

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meetings like the Bilderberg meeting

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what does that actually mean it means

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that you've got the top movers and

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shakers in this world who get together

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very quietly at their five-star hotels

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and they talk to each other about how

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they think the world should be that's

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precisely what they do and then they go

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back to their various loci of power and

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they implement that to the best of their

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ability which is usually a very great

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ability and that's what happens that's

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how the Bilderbergers create the

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European Union among many other things

447
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they started the Common Market back in

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the 50s that was their idea and on and

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on and on are the examples so that's how

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it works and that's beyond nations

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mm-hmm that is beyond the nation-state

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so in terms of a breakaway civilization

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we're talking the same basic idea they

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are beyond we're talking privatized /

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public but mostly privatized power that

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works through public institutions like

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national governments so they wield a lot

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of power they will go out of money power

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and they wield a lot of tech power

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getting through this and figuring out

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how this labyrinth works I've been

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trying to do that for many years now I'm

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not at the endgame of it but I do get to

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talk with some other very knowledgeable

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people every now and then and be trying

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to figure this out it's not easy but we

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work on it mmm yes

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cheers to that well said you're speaking

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my language and you mentioned the bodies

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and that makes me think of this thing

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you know if we you know America lost

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some citizens or bodies to a foreign

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nation we tend to go get them or at

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least try and I wonder why we haven't

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that with these alien entities any

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thoughts on that why they haven't tried

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to recover their own bodies well we only

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as a nation try to do that when it

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becomes a public issue and a necessity

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there usually what you'll find is

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government agencies will beg or pray to

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let these things go under the rug so

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they don't have to do anything about it

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that's why we have these cover-ups you

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know back in the 70s when cattle

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mutilations were becoming a big thing

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the last thing that the FBI or the

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government wanted to do is recognize it

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as a problem because then they would

490
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have to do something about it with any

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of these things if the government

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recognizes UFOs are real then they have

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to do something about it if they

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recognize that citizens are disappearing

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then they have to do something about it

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that's always a problem so first thing

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is they would rather not do anything

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about it but it's true like if this were

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which you know our governments up until

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now have studiously tried to avoid

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making one but if it were to become one

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well this is a problem that could easily

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spiral out of control if people were to

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get worked up over this because we do

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have a situation of people

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apparently let me just say that being

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taken certainly against their will

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brought back you've got then allegations

509
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that I mean we have lots of disappearing

510
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people happens all the time so the real

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question is do those people who

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disappear go somewhere not nice that our

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government has no control over and

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that's question I don't have a full

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answer to that I mean I've got ideas and

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so on but you're bringing up an

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important point here and how that gets

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resolved I'm not so sure I think we're a

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powerless against a lot of this that's

520
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unfortunately the case like I just don't

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think we've got the ability to deal

522
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fully with this phenomenon on an equal

523
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basis yes that's absolutely true and

524
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yeah I just wonder about like on the

525
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alien homeworld

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if someone says my brother never came

527
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home you know he went down to earth and

528
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crashed and he's stuck down there and

529
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they get their alien government to go

530
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and get the alien bodies that we have

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store away you know what I mean it just

532
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seems like they're the ones who let

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their bodies stay here but you make a

534
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good point about governments don't

535
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really want to do things they have to do

536
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it's like the EPA with all the lead

537
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pipes in the ground it's like if you're

538
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not gonna complain about it we're gonna

539
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tell you it's probably fine oh yeah

540
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absolutely that's the easiest simplest

541
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way this basically you know you've got

542
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the everyone's afraid of a lawsuit

543
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otherwise I don't think they would

544
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really care as far as alien psychology

545
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you know you can prompt us to think well

546
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what would their psychology be and

547
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that's a good thing to wonder about I

548
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have wondered about it and my only guess

549
00:22:36,950 --> 00:22:34,740
is that their psychology is very likely

550
00:22:39,140 --> 00:22:36,960
very different from ours a we have to

551
00:22:41,390 --> 00:22:39,150
wonder are they biological in the way

552
00:22:44,450 --> 00:22:41,400
that we are are they born do they have

553
00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:44,460
mothers do they nurse do they bond with

554
00:22:48,799 --> 00:22:47,010
mothers and fathers and siblings do they

555
00:22:52,399 --> 00:22:48,809
have in other words that emotional

556
00:22:54,620 --> 00:22:52,409
foundation that humans have that define

557
00:22:56,779 --> 00:22:54,630
the core of our very being frankly I

558
00:22:59,210 --> 00:22:56,789
mean we are defined because we're

559
00:23:01,190 --> 00:22:59,220
mammals and we nurse at our mother's

560
00:23:03,500 --> 00:23:01,200
breast when you really think about it so

561
00:23:06,980 --> 00:23:03,510
we're driven by a need for love we're

562
00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:06,990
driven by a need for intimacy and we're

563
00:23:12,700 --> 00:23:10,010
always looking for it but do they

564
00:23:14,590 --> 00:23:12,710
and they may not especially if they're

565
00:23:17,650 --> 00:23:14,600
artificially grown if they're

566
00:23:19,270 --> 00:23:17,660
genetically modified I think that is

567
00:23:23,110 --> 00:23:19,280
very likely the case and so I would

568
00:23:26,770 --> 00:23:23,120
expect it their psychological reactions

569
00:23:28,660 --> 00:23:26,780
and the drivers are very different from

570
00:23:29,860 --> 00:23:28,670
our own I think that is probably true

571
00:23:32,140 --> 00:23:29,870
yes

572
00:23:34,180 --> 00:23:32,150
great insights and I was going to wade

573
00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:34,190
slowly into bodies but we're in it now

574
00:23:38,410 --> 00:23:37,010
and so I'm curious I heard you talk

575
00:23:41,020 --> 00:23:38,420
about this before but through these

576
00:23:44,050 --> 00:23:41,030
privileged conversations that you've had

577
00:23:46,570 --> 00:23:44,060
what is the closest you've gotten to

578
00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:46,580
real confirmation of alien bodies dead

579
00:23:51,550 --> 00:23:49,490
or alive preferably alive but I guess

580
00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:51,560
some that somewhere that are still on

581
00:23:57,880 --> 00:23:53,210
the planet have you gotten one degree

582
00:24:00,220 --> 00:23:57,890
away two degrees away maybe two hmm the

583
00:24:01,360 --> 00:24:00,230
one whose name that I can mention is the

584
00:24:03,210 --> 00:24:01,370
one I've already mentioned which was

585
00:24:08,210 --> 00:24:03,220
Edgar Mitchell

586
00:24:11,539 --> 00:24:08,220
who was Apollo 14 and

587
00:24:13,299 --> 00:24:11,549
said to me explicitly he didn't give me

588
00:24:15,789 --> 00:24:13,309
names but

589
00:24:18,519 --> 00:24:15,799
I know now that one of those names is

590
00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:18,529
almost certainly at multum SR Wilson who

591
00:24:23,110 --> 00:24:20,450
has since become quite a bit more famous

592
00:24:24,789 --> 00:24:23,120
since weak documents came out but back

593
00:24:28,810 --> 00:24:24,799
in no six I had this conversation with

594
00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:28,820
dr. Mitchell and we went off into a room

595
00:24:33,940 --> 00:24:31,730
alone and we talked about this

596
00:24:37,110 --> 00:24:33,950
basically he talked to me about it and

597
00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:37,120
said yes I've had two ultra elite

598
00:24:42,700 --> 00:24:40,970
individuals who have confirmed me this

599
00:24:44,019 --> 00:24:42,710
isn't just random speculation the

600
00:24:48,279 --> 00:24:44,029
impression he gave me is that this was

601
00:24:51,489 --> 00:24:48,289
an explicit statement to him about the

602
00:24:53,799 --> 00:24:51,499
possession of in deeply classified

603
00:24:56,470 --> 00:24:53,809
deeply classified special access

604
00:25:00,460 --> 00:24:56,480
programs the possession of alien bodies

605
00:25:02,230 --> 00:25:00,470
plural and alien technology so that's

606
00:25:05,379 --> 00:25:02,240
the one I can mention in addition Edgar

607
00:25:09,310 --> 00:25:05,389
Mitchell there were at least two other

608
00:25:11,619 --> 00:25:09,320
very well-known individuals who are I

609
00:25:14,109 --> 00:25:11,629
think have been in a very strong

610
00:25:18,299 --> 00:25:14,119
position who have also said the same

611
00:25:21,539 --> 00:25:18,309
thing to me that this phenomenon is real

612
00:25:23,430 --> 00:25:21,549
that the bodies

613
00:25:25,019 --> 00:25:23,440
one of them has explicitly said the

614
00:25:27,899 --> 00:25:25,029
bodies are real and one of them is kind

615
00:25:29,070 --> 00:25:27,909
of hedged in addition to that I go

616
00:25:31,770 --> 00:25:29,080
through the research and again she I

617
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:31,780
mentioned Leonard Stringfield

618
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:33,610
a lot of people don't know he was but

619
00:25:38,810 --> 00:25:36,250
he's one of the great researchers of all

620
00:25:41,970 --> 00:25:38,820
time in the UFO field died in 1994 and

621
00:25:43,470 --> 00:25:41,980
he really got into this in a big way in

622
00:25:45,570 --> 00:25:43,480
the late 70s and through the eighties

623
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:45,580
found a lot of people I've got all of

624
00:25:50,159 --> 00:25:47,770
stringfield's writings so there's

625
00:25:52,409 --> 00:25:50,169
actually quite a bit there mm-hmm and

626
00:25:54,539 --> 00:25:52,419
this is why I believe it aside from the

627
00:25:56,190 --> 00:25:54,549
logic of the situation but I would never

628
00:25:57,539 --> 00:25:56,200
believe anything just because it seems

629
00:25:59,490 --> 00:25:57,549
logical I've got to believe in it

630
00:26:01,830 --> 00:25:59,500
because there's some evidence or some

631
00:26:03,899 --> 00:26:01,840
good testimony that I can go on yeah

632
00:26:07,409 --> 00:26:03,909
that's what the people liked about you

633
00:26:10,980 --> 00:26:07,419
man and when we hear about bodies it's

634
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:10,990
almost always a gray yet when the

635
00:26:16,850 --> 00:26:13,450
encounters happen you hear about Mantid

636
00:26:18,990 --> 00:26:16,860
beings and reptilian beings and

637
00:26:21,180 --> 00:26:19,000
insectoid weird things

638
00:26:23,610 --> 00:26:21,190
those aren't bodies that I ever really

639
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:23,620
hear about being recovered do you or is

640
00:26:26,789 --> 00:26:25,330
it always a gray in the in the cases

641
00:26:28,590 --> 00:26:26,799
that you've heard about a recovered body

642
00:26:31,470 --> 00:26:28,600
or have you heard about a Mantid

643
00:26:33,770 --> 00:26:31,480
recovered well when you say gray I just

644
00:26:37,710 --> 00:26:33,780
want to clarify so there are cases of

645
00:26:42,360 --> 00:26:37,720
bodies recovered that are small with

646
00:26:44,580 --> 00:26:42,370
large heads but not precisely as we

647
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:44,590
would define a gray so there have been

648
00:26:49,710 --> 00:26:47,890
some variations of this so some actually

649
00:26:52,110 --> 00:26:49,720
that look a bit more human looking but

650
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:52,120
they're not human that type of thing

651
00:26:57,149 --> 00:26:54,970
I'm thinking of thinking of the Kingman

652
00:26:59,970 --> 00:26:57,159
UFO crash of 1953

653
00:27:03,529 --> 00:26:59,980
now there is one the crash in Aztec New

654
00:27:06,630 --> 00:27:03,539
Mexico from 1948 I think those creatures

655
00:27:09,090 --> 00:27:06,640
I'm not mistaken from the research of

656
00:27:12,090 --> 00:27:09,100
Scott and Susan Ramsay they might have

657
00:27:13,970 --> 00:27:12,100
been bit more gray like but in terms of

658
00:27:16,940 --> 00:27:13,980
what you're asking

659
00:27:18,740 --> 00:27:16,950
now I'm not aware of insectoid or Mantid

660
00:27:20,430 --> 00:27:18,750
type beings being recovered in these

661
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:20,440
crashes but

662
00:27:24,690 --> 00:27:22,090
I would keep in mind we actually know

663
00:27:26,340 --> 00:27:24,700
very little about these crashes so for

664
00:27:27,750 --> 00:27:26,350
example we know about Roswell mainly for

665
00:27:29,550 --> 00:27:27,760
one reason which is because it made the

666
00:27:33,150 --> 00:27:29,560
newspapers for a little while and then

667
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:33,160
was pulled and you know strewed Stanton

668
00:27:37,950 --> 00:27:34,930
Friedman stumbled basically upon Jesse

669
00:27:41,700 --> 00:27:37,960
Marcel but most of these crashes are

670
00:27:43,500 --> 00:27:41,710
really well concealed they're very

671
00:27:47,580 --> 00:27:43,510
difficult for us to get to there is

672
00:27:50,639 --> 00:27:47,590
partial information on a lot of them

673
00:27:53,700 --> 00:27:50,649
but it's not the easiest but to ask you

674
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:53,710
a question I'm not aware of insect type

675
00:27:58,019 --> 00:27:55,210
beings being recovered in these crashes

676
00:28:00,149 --> 00:27:58,029
nor am i aware of insect like beings

677
00:28:02,580 --> 00:28:00,159
being held at places like

678
00:28:04,710 --> 00:28:02,590
wright-patterson Air Force Base the

679
00:28:06,629 --> 00:28:04,720
store is that I have read through

680
00:28:08,399 --> 00:28:06,639
stringfield's work and others is that

681
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:08,409
we're talking three to four feet tall

682
00:28:14,909 --> 00:28:12,730
large heads so gray like beings

683
00:28:17,609 --> 00:28:14,919
the reason that might be the case is

684
00:28:19,529 --> 00:28:17,619
that maybe they're the operators of

685
00:28:21,509 --> 00:28:19,539
these craft right you know the

686
00:28:24,479 --> 00:28:21,519
speculation is that they're kind of

687
00:28:26,999 --> 00:28:24,489
androids themselves maybe that's true

688
00:28:29,489 --> 00:28:27,009
and if that's so then maybe it's more

689
00:28:31,049 --> 00:28:29,499
logical to have them operating these

690
00:28:34,259 --> 00:28:31,059
craft for all I know but I'm just

691
00:28:35,729 --> 00:28:34,269
guessing here yeah that's kind of what I

692
00:28:37,979 --> 00:28:35,739
was gonna say is that it seems like

693
00:28:41,070 --> 00:28:37,989
maybe the greys or the little humanoid

694
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:41,080
things are drones and maybe they work

695
00:28:44,580 --> 00:28:43,090
for the mantids on the homeworld who

696
00:28:48,239 --> 00:28:44,590
they just don't come out here all that

697
00:28:49,889 --> 00:28:48,249
often but it is a curious thing yeah

698
00:28:53,099 --> 00:28:49,899
that's the theory of David Jacobs

699
00:28:57,779 --> 00:28:53,109
I really like David and I think he's

700
00:28:59,729 --> 00:28:57,789
probably fully retired now but his last

701
00:29:02,159 --> 00:28:59,739
couple of books especially his last one

702
00:29:05,369 --> 00:29:02,169
book walking among us goes explicitly

703
00:29:07,409 --> 00:29:05,379
into this serious is what David did I

704
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:07,419
really admire because he's one of the

705
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:09,570
few researchers who actually tried to do

706
00:29:15,299 --> 00:29:12,730
let's say counterintelligence on these

707
00:29:19,430 --> 00:29:15,309
other beings in other words trying to

708
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:19,440
hypothesize what could be the full

709
00:29:22,379 --> 00:29:21,970
nature of their society what are they

710
00:29:23,849 --> 00:29:22,389
like

711
00:29:26,249 --> 00:29:23,859
because you don't really get a lot of

712
00:29:28,700 --> 00:29:26,259
this but David has given it a good try

713
00:29:31,379 --> 00:29:28,710
and his theory is that the insectoids

714
00:29:35,249 --> 00:29:31,389
the Mantid type beings are at the top of

715
00:29:38,279 --> 00:29:35,259
the chain and that there are various

716
00:29:42,239 --> 00:29:38,289
levels of hybrids one of which are the

717
00:29:45,779 --> 00:29:42,249
grey aliens the greys mm-hmm so that's

718
00:29:47,340 --> 00:29:45,789
his theory yes and you were talking

719
00:29:49,590 --> 00:29:47,350
about the secrecy a little bit around

720
00:29:52,109 --> 00:29:49,600
these crashes and let me ask you this

721
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:52,119
cuz sometimes shows like this keep going

722
00:29:57,720 --> 00:29:55,090
over what happened in 1947 what's in the

723
00:29:59,999 --> 00:29:57,730
basement at wright-patterson but today

724
00:30:02,220 --> 00:30:00,009
it's safe to assume that a lot of this

725
00:30:05,340 --> 00:30:02,230
stuff is deep private as you've said

726
00:30:07,499 --> 00:30:05,350
before if you could gain full access to

727
00:30:10,109 --> 00:30:07,509
a single facility right now either

728
00:30:12,629 --> 00:30:10,119
Bigelow airspace or Boeing's back room

729
00:30:15,269 --> 00:30:12,639
or even the Vatican archives what single

730
00:30:17,940 --> 00:30:15,279
facility would you think would yield the

731
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:17,950
best fruits when it comes to non-human

732
00:30:23,110 --> 00:30:20,450
beings and their technology

733
00:30:24,340 --> 00:30:23,120
hmm well one actually would be a

734
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:24,350
military facility that would be

735
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:26,810
wright-patterson Air Force Base I would

736
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:29,330
definitely want to I would love to have

737
00:30:33,490 --> 00:30:31,850
full access to right back

738
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:33,500
you think stuff is still there I would

739
00:30:39,700 --> 00:30:35,650
think it's a few decades past right Pat

740
00:30:41,350 --> 00:30:39,710
no I wouldn't count on it okay I don't

741
00:30:45,430 --> 00:30:41,360
know I think that they probably still

742
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:45,440
would but in terms of private I would

743
00:30:50,140 --> 00:30:47,930
definitely look at Lockheed Martin and I

744
00:30:53,140 --> 00:30:50,150
think that as an organization they would

745
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:53,150
be the bedding choice for the people

746
00:30:58,660 --> 00:30:54,770
that Admiral Wilson spoke to back in

747
00:31:01,240 --> 00:30:58,670
2002 who denied him access to that

748
00:31:05,490 --> 00:31:01,250
program definitely I'll be looking at

749
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:05,500
Boeing definitely I'd be looking

750
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:07,330
I had a few other private contractors

751
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:12,610
plays like Raytheon SAIC places like

752
00:31:17,850 --> 00:31:14,650
that I think we're talking major defense

753
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:17,860
contractors what I think the situation

754
00:31:26,220 --> 00:31:21,850
is however is one where you've got small

755
00:31:28,230 --> 00:31:26,230
small segments of these large military

756
00:31:31,620 --> 00:31:28,240
contractors

757
00:31:33,450 --> 00:31:31,630
that are read into it and I think you

758
00:31:34,950 --> 00:31:33,460
know most of Lockheed is not going to be

759
00:31:37,169 --> 00:31:34,960
read into that most of Boeing's not

760
00:31:39,180 --> 00:31:37,179
going to be ran into that so that's

761
00:31:42,090 --> 00:31:39,190
where I would be wanting I would love to

762
00:31:45,150 --> 00:31:42,100
have access to some of those I don't

763
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:45,160
expect that will ever happen yeah SAIC

764
00:31:49,530 --> 00:31:48,010
is a great pick two and let's make this

765
00:31:51,630 --> 00:31:49,540
a little bit weirder I know your wife is

766
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:51,640
a trained remote viewer have you ever

767
00:31:55,570 --> 00:31:53,930
had or sneak a peek

768
00:31:58,960 --> 00:31:55,580
here's the thing about this Tracy would

769
00:32:01,540 --> 00:31:58,970
be the first to tell you remote viewers

770
00:32:03,910 --> 00:32:01,550
you don't want to front-load them that's

771
00:32:08,140 --> 00:32:03,920
her phrase that's a phrase in the field

772
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:08,150
in other words remote viewing always

773
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:09,530
works best when the remote viewer

774
00:32:12,580 --> 00:32:11,930
themself has no idea of what they're

775
00:32:14,799 --> 00:32:12,590
looking for

776
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:14,809
I mean I've actually talked about this

777
00:32:18,460 --> 00:32:16,970
just for fun with Tracy and said you

778
00:32:19,810 --> 00:32:18,470
know you should just let me pick a few

779
00:32:22,330 --> 00:32:19,820
targets you have no idea what I'm

780
00:32:23,740 --> 00:32:22,340
picking her attitude is yeah you think I

781
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:23,750
have no idea I know exactly how your

782
00:32:27,910 --> 00:32:25,490
mind works I know what you'll want me to

783
00:32:30,790 --> 00:32:27,920
look for and so the thing is when the

784
00:32:33,340 --> 00:32:30,800
conscious mind gets involved

785
00:32:35,230 --> 00:32:33,350
you're really contaminating it and this

786
00:32:37,570 --> 00:32:35,240
is why a lot of people who will say oh

787
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:37,580
yes I remote viewed the moon and this is

788
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:39,170
what I found like you can just throw

789
00:32:43,650 --> 00:32:41,330
that right out that's trash there's

790
00:32:46,740 --> 00:32:43,660
nothing to be gained from that

791
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:46,750
the way remote viewing is properly done

792
00:32:51,659 --> 00:32:49,210
is you have one person who's the program

793
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:51,669
manager he or she's got a series of

794
00:32:58,150 --> 00:32:54,610
remote viewers working for them and he

795
00:33:00,220 --> 00:32:58,160
assigns tasks to them

796
00:33:03,340 --> 00:33:00,230
and then he gets the results from them

797
00:33:05,860 --> 00:33:03,350
and you have a team of people analyzing

798
00:33:07,900 --> 00:33:05,870
those results that's actually the proper

799
00:33:10,180 --> 00:33:07,910
way to do it so believe me I would love

800
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:10,190
to have trace into it if I could figure

801
00:33:16,690 --> 00:33:13,130
out a way to do it without front-loading

802
00:33:20,170 --> 00:33:16,700
her I would try to do it so we'll leave

803
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:20,180
it as sure down the road if I can trick

804
00:33:24,670 --> 00:33:22,250
her and do not thinking since she's

805
00:33:27,790 --> 00:33:24,680
being front-loaded hell of a date night

806
00:33:30,220 --> 00:33:27,800
I would say and it's just so fascinating

807
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:30,230
that these side effects are legit I know

808
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:31,970
you've referenced een Raiden's work

809
00:33:36,850 --> 00:33:33,890
before I know that you're familiar with

810
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:36,860
the SSRI crew and have had conversations

811
00:33:40,510 --> 00:33:39,290
with Edgar Mitchell as you said and I am

812
00:33:42,220 --> 00:33:40,520
really more interested in the

813
00:33:44,020 --> 00:33:42,230
consciousness component that I am the

814
00:33:45,700 --> 00:33:44,030
nuts and bolts crafts but you know

815
00:33:47,980 --> 00:33:45,710
whatever the evidence is the evidence

816
00:33:50,980 --> 00:33:47,990
but these guys are all getting pretty

817
00:33:53,290 --> 00:33:50,990
old and I am kind of surprised we aren't

818
00:33:56,470 --> 00:33:53,300
getting more late stages of life

819
00:33:58,450 --> 00:33:56,480
confessions I mean how much further has

820
00:34:00,630 --> 00:33:58,460
the needle move for you by talking to

821
00:34:04,630 --> 00:34:00,640
these guys as they're getting up in age

822
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:04,640
hmm well yeah

823
00:34:10,780 --> 00:34:08,210
I have tried on a few of these instances

824
00:34:13,070 --> 00:34:10,790
to convince some of these people with

825
00:34:14,750 --> 00:34:13,080
whom I have limited access

826
00:34:17,900 --> 00:34:14,760
to think about their legacy to think

827
00:34:20,570 --> 00:34:17,910
about the legacy of our planet

828
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:20,580
you know after they're gone I have

829
00:34:23,490 --> 00:34:22,170
actually said these types of things and

830
00:34:25,889 --> 00:34:23,500
said

831
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:25,899
you're gonna be gone one day your

832
00:34:30,330 --> 00:34:28,570
information is going to go with you you

833
00:34:31,770 --> 00:34:30,340
can make a really important statement

834
00:34:34,710 --> 00:34:31,780
and you can do something for the rest of

835
00:34:37,770 --> 00:34:34,720
us the problem that I keep running into

836
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:37,780
with some of these individuals is they

837
00:34:44,610 --> 00:34:42,690
are not going willingly to break

838
00:34:46,230 --> 00:34:44,620
security protocols they're just not

839
00:34:48,119 --> 00:34:46,240
gonna do it most of them are just not

840
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:48,129
going to all the ones that I've met

841
00:34:54,720 --> 00:34:50,290
anyway they'll talk amongst themselves

842
00:34:57,119 --> 00:34:54,730
they'll talk quietly to someone that

843
00:34:59,160 --> 00:34:57,129
they can trust on the proviso that you

844
00:35:00,450 --> 00:34:59,170
don't give their name up and then if you

845
00:35:01,710 --> 00:35:00,460
give their name up they'll just deny it

846
00:35:05,100 --> 00:35:01,720
anyway and you're left out in the cold

847
00:35:07,740 --> 00:35:05,110
it's that type of a thing so

848
00:35:09,720 --> 00:35:07,750
this is what I found now I haven't given

849
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:09,730
up I mean of course I'm not in their

850
00:35:15,420 --> 00:35:12,130
position it's easy for me to say this

851
00:35:17,610 --> 00:35:15,430
because I don't have classified threats

852
00:35:19,110 --> 00:35:17,620
and you know here's one example that

853
00:35:22,350 --> 00:35:19,120
I'll give you you know we mentioned

854
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:22,360
Edgar Mitchell and years ago I wrote to

855
00:35:29,930 --> 00:35:27,010
him and I said hey look you tell me you

856
00:35:32,130 --> 00:35:29,940
support my work and you like what I do

857
00:35:34,380 --> 00:35:32,140
you've told me that you've got a couple

858
00:35:36,300 --> 00:35:34,390
of high-level people who've confirmed

859
00:35:39,420 --> 00:35:36,310
about alien bodies and tech to you I

860
00:35:42,090 --> 00:35:39,430
said can you throw me a bone it's almost

861
00:35:45,570 --> 00:35:42,100
exactly what I said can you point me in

862
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:45,580
a direction that I can go that would be

863
00:35:51,720 --> 00:35:49,690
useful for me and his reply was look I

864
00:35:55,430 --> 00:35:51,730
would like to help you but the people

865
00:35:58,860 --> 00:35:55,440
who came to me did so at great risk

866
00:36:01,470 --> 00:35:58,870
personally professionally and risk to

867
00:36:03,240 --> 00:36:01,480
their families and he said as long as

868
00:36:05,070 --> 00:36:03,250
they're alive I can't do that I won't do

869
00:36:07,830 --> 00:36:05,080
that to them so he said risk to their

870
00:36:10,260 --> 00:36:07,840
families and he didn't expand on that

871
00:36:13,590 --> 00:36:10,270
but I think we can all infer what that

872
00:36:16,750 --> 00:36:13,600
is so these individuals that I know who

873
00:36:17,980 --> 00:36:16,760
are still alive now

874
00:36:19,900 --> 00:36:17,990
I mean I haven't really gotten them to

875
00:36:21,240 --> 00:36:19,910
open up all that much about this except

876
00:36:24,730 --> 00:36:21,250
for them to say it's not going to happen

877
00:36:27,070 --> 00:36:24,740
but they're all afraid and the other

878
00:36:30,150 --> 00:36:27,080
thing is they're trying in their own way

879
00:36:32,140 --> 00:36:30,160
it seems to me to get further access

880
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:32,150
because it's not like all of these

881
00:36:37,060 --> 00:36:34,850
people have the full keys to the kingdom

882
00:36:39,820 --> 00:36:37,070
I think they probably don't actually I

883
00:36:42,340 --> 00:36:39,830
think they know something everyone in

884
00:36:44,620 --> 00:36:42,350
their community knows something but they

885
00:36:46,450 --> 00:36:44,630
all want to know more and so they're

886
00:36:48,670 --> 00:36:46,460
angling their way to get to the sender

887
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:48,680
you know yeah I don't think they ever

888
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:51,090
will but

889
00:36:54,380 --> 00:36:52,650
that's the way it works you're talking

890
00:36:56,540 --> 00:36:54,390
circles within circles within circles

891
00:36:58,370 --> 00:36:56,550
and everyone wants to get to the next

892
00:37:01,100 --> 00:36:58,380
level in and so they don't want to risk

893
00:37:04,670 --> 00:37:01,110
it one of these individuals said to me

894
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:04,680
this is years ago years ago he said all

895
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:07,050
right let's say that I knew who the top

896
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:10,050
10 15 names of the people who know

897
00:37:15,830 --> 00:37:12,690
everything let's say that I had that

898
00:37:18,230 --> 00:37:15,840
list and let's say that I could give

899
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:18,240
that list to the New York Times which

900
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:20,010
even then made me laugh like the New

901
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:21,690
York Times are you kidding me like they

902
00:37:23,720 --> 00:37:22,890
would do anything with it but he says

903
00:37:26,450 --> 00:37:23,730
let's say I give it to the New York

904
00:37:28,260 --> 00:37:26,460
Times and let's say that they published

905
00:37:31,290 --> 00:37:28,270
that list

906
00:37:32,940 --> 00:37:31,300
he said well a the people involved could

907
00:37:33,780 --> 00:37:32,950
just simply deny and say that that's a

908
00:37:37,110 --> 00:37:33,790
lot of nonsense

909
00:37:38,490 --> 00:37:37,120
it's disinformation and B it would

910
00:37:41,550 --> 00:37:38,500
probably be traced back to me

911
00:37:44,220 --> 00:37:41,560
and then I'm locked out of everything so

912
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:44,230
that's really their situation

913
00:37:50,790 --> 00:37:47,530
I think the lot of these people who have

914
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:50,800
some aspect of the secret might want to

915
00:37:55,950 --> 00:37:53,650
see that secret come out but they feel

916
00:37:58,650 --> 00:37:55,960
they don't really have enough of a

917
00:38:01,320 --> 00:37:58,660
slam-dunk amount of evidence that they

918
00:38:03,870 --> 00:38:01,330
could show the world you know what I

919
00:38:06,780 --> 00:38:03,880
mean it's like so they go on their name

920
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:06,790
their reputation but is it enough is it

921
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:09,010
really enough and I think they think

922
00:38:14,610 --> 00:38:12,130
it's not enough they want to body

923
00:38:17,730 --> 00:38:14,620
themselves they want indisputable

924
00:38:19,950 --> 00:38:17,740
document or whatever and I don't know

925
00:38:21,660 --> 00:38:19,960
that they've got that either so they

926
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:21,670
would be going out there totally exposed

927
00:38:27,450 --> 00:38:24,610
it's a really weird situation now the

928
00:38:29,599 --> 00:38:27,460
people in the programs who are directly

929
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:29,609
in these programs

930
00:38:33,349 --> 00:38:32,249
that would be different unfortunately

931
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:33,359
for me I don't know what him for his

932
00:38:38,930 --> 00:38:36,690
people that I am aware of so I wouldn't

933
00:38:41,029 --> 00:38:38,940
know what to say about that right yeah

934
00:38:42,769 --> 00:38:41,039
she's so frustrating and I understand a

935
00:38:45,019 --> 00:38:42,779
person not wanting to put their family

936
00:38:48,019 --> 00:38:45,029
at risk but there's a lot of potential

937
00:38:50,150 --> 00:38:48,029
for revealing documents and details to

938
00:38:52,130 --> 00:38:50,160
people like you in the result of

939
00:38:53,839 --> 00:38:52,140
someone's death and these guys are

940
00:38:55,849 --> 00:38:53,849
getting up there in age as we've said

941
00:38:58,670 --> 00:38:55,859
and I can't imagine that it would

942
00:39:01,970 --> 00:38:58,680
actually put their sons and daughters at

943
00:39:03,620 --> 00:39:01,980
risk once they've passed on I get that

944
00:39:05,779 --> 00:39:03,630
just the threat of it is enough to keep

945
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:05,789
everyone in line but someone has to be

946
00:39:09,289 --> 00:39:07,890
bold enough to push through that unless

947
00:39:10,670 --> 00:39:09,299
there's more we need to know about the

948
00:39:13,460 --> 00:39:10,680
people who make these threats in the

949
00:39:16,849 --> 00:39:13,470
first place well with any of these

950
00:39:18,769 --> 00:39:16,859
people I think it's probably true one of

951
00:39:21,019 --> 00:39:18,779
them dies and something is revealed

952
00:39:22,759 --> 00:39:21,029
posthumously what's the point of going

953
00:39:25,890 --> 00:39:22,769
after other family members like they

954
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:25,900
didn't do anything wrong so

955
00:39:30,550 --> 00:39:28,850
realistically I would think that those

956
00:39:32,830 --> 00:39:30,560
other family members would not be at

957
00:39:35,020 --> 00:39:32,840
risk but the point is that while these

958
00:39:38,110 --> 00:39:35,030
people are alive they do not want to

959
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:38,120
break ranks and I have tried and I'll

960
00:39:43,220 --> 00:39:40,490
try again I'm not giving up but I'm not

961
00:39:46,099 --> 00:39:43,230
expecting a lot of success to be honest

962
00:39:47,780 --> 00:39:46,109
fair fair and one with my breath but you

963
00:39:49,730 --> 00:39:47,790
know I asked you about gaining access to

964
00:39:52,670 --> 00:39:49,740
a single facility what about getting a

965
00:39:55,370 --> 00:39:52,680
full top-down briefing from a single

966
00:39:56,510 --> 00:39:55,380
person which one person secrets would

967
00:39:58,319 --> 00:39:56,520
you like to know who do you think knows

968
00:40:01,199 --> 00:39:58,329
the most

969
00:40:04,079 --> 00:40:01,209
well of public individuals that are well

970
00:40:05,489 --> 00:40:04,089
known one person I've never spoken to

971
00:40:09,809 --> 00:40:05,499
and I would love to would be Robert

972
00:40:13,469 --> 00:40:09,819
Bigelow himself he's a man who is

973
00:40:18,359 --> 00:40:13,479
extremely intelligent and not only that

974
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:18,369
he has been deeply immersed in this for

975
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:21,249
many decades he has probably put more

976
00:40:26,660 --> 00:40:24,729
money into the research of this and any

977
00:40:29,609 --> 00:40:26,670
other private citizen I can think of and

978
00:40:31,529 --> 00:40:29,619
he's been a defense contractor on the

979
00:40:33,290 --> 00:40:31,539
subject through the a tip program as we

980
00:40:37,340 --> 00:40:33,300
know

981
00:40:38,860 --> 00:40:37,350
I would bet a ferret and all of the

982
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:38,870
little money that I have that Bigelow

983
00:40:43,660 --> 00:40:41,370
has a lot of information that he hasn't

984
00:40:46,670 --> 00:40:43,670
shared publicly that's just a guess in

985
00:40:48,460 --> 00:40:46,680
terms of people within the classified

986
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:48,470
world

987
00:40:52,720 --> 00:40:50,810
there's a very few people within the

988
00:40:56,109 --> 00:40:52,730
Defense Department you've got basically

989
00:40:57,640 --> 00:40:56,119
three groups within the government where

990
00:40:59,890 --> 00:40:57,650
you've got these special access programs

991
00:41:00,990 --> 00:40:59,900
operating so one is the Pentagon the

992
00:41:03,490 --> 00:41:01,000
Department of Defense

993
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:03,500
you've got the Department of Energy and

994
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:07,010
you've got the CIA this is what I have

995
00:41:15,190 --> 00:41:11,930
learned so the Defense Department

996
00:41:16,450 --> 00:41:15,200
special access programs you can glean a

997
00:41:18,790 --> 00:41:16,460
little bit about this actually by

998
00:41:21,609 --> 00:41:18,800
studying the Wilson Davis notes the

999
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:21,619
Admiral Wilson document that leaked out

1000
00:41:30,420 --> 00:41:26,410
last June of 2019 and you can see that

1001
00:41:33,690 --> 00:41:30,430
within the Defense Department the office

1002
00:41:36,329 --> 00:41:33,700
of special acquisitions within that

1003
00:41:39,539 --> 00:41:36,339
there's a structure where in which these

1004
00:41:41,789 --> 00:41:39,549
special access programs exist and the

1005
00:41:43,410 --> 00:41:41,799
number of people have access to them you

1006
00:41:45,569 --> 00:41:43,420
could I think you can count on the

1007
00:41:48,140 --> 00:41:45,579
fingers of one hand so it's a very

1008
00:41:50,670 --> 00:41:48,150
limited group of people it seems and

1009
00:41:53,069 --> 00:41:50,680
what you really have in that case within

1010
00:41:57,329 --> 00:41:53,079
the Pentagon is a small group of people

1011
00:42:01,140 --> 00:41:57,339
who are guarding access to a private

1012
00:42:02,609 --> 00:42:01,150
corporation being able to exploit this

1013
00:42:04,250 --> 00:42:02,619
technology that's really where it is so

1014
00:42:08,730 --> 00:42:04,260
the federal government is acting as a

1015
00:42:12,630 --> 00:42:08,740
there's a security guard for private

1016
00:42:15,569 --> 00:42:12,640
contractors and the same thing from what

1017
00:42:18,420 --> 00:42:15,579
I have been told applies within the CIA

1018
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:18,430
I don't know to if it's a greater extent

1019
00:42:22,420 --> 00:42:20,530
or lesser extent than the Pentagon but

1020
00:42:24,599 --> 00:42:22,430
what I have learned

1021
00:42:27,839 --> 00:42:24,609
is that the area probably of the least

1022
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:27,849
oversight is the Department of Energy

1023
00:42:32,079 --> 00:42:30,050
which you know people know their history

1024
00:42:34,030 --> 00:42:32,089
of area 51 they know that the Department

1025
00:42:37,510 --> 00:42:34,040
of Energy has had a very significant

1026
00:42:41,589 --> 00:42:37,520
roll out at the Nevada Test Site and by

1027
00:42:43,870 --> 00:42:41,599
area 51 so those are the three and the

1028
00:42:46,540 --> 00:42:43,880
individuals managing those special

1029
00:42:51,910 --> 00:42:46,550
access programs would be very important

1030
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:51,920
to talk to it seems to me and I like to

1031
00:42:56,890 --> 00:42:54,050
ask questions I don't hear people asked

1032
00:42:59,260 --> 00:42:56,900
otherwise why we doing this and we want

1033
00:43:01,599 --> 00:42:59,270
answers about these entities and there

1034
00:43:03,910 --> 00:43:01,609
are some ways to take this upon

1035
00:43:08,349 --> 00:43:03,920
ourselves at least to a degree maybe not

1036
00:43:10,240 --> 00:43:08,359
to the exact extent that we want to or

1037
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:10,250
maybe not the exact same beans but

1038
00:43:14,530 --> 00:43:12,050
desperate times desperate measures and

1039
00:43:17,079 --> 00:43:14,540
all that I am curious if you've ever

1040
00:43:19,210 --> 00:43:17,089
explored the techniques that do yield

1041
00:43:21,609 --> 00:43:19,220
contact experiences with something

1042
00:43:23,740 --> 00:43:21,619
non-human particularly psychedelics

1043
00:43:25,900 --> 00:43:23,750
people do take mushrooms or salvia or

1044
00:43:28,599 --> 00:43:25,910
ayahuasca natural plant medicines

1045
00:43:31,930 --> 00:43:28,609
nothing from the MKULTRA labs and they

1046
00:43:33,490 --> 00:43:31,940
have contact of some sort and I got a

1047
00:43:35,260 --> 00:43:33,500
guy I can give him a call we can ask

1048
00:43:37,240 --> 00:43:35,270
them about alien agendas before dinner

1049
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:37,250
tonight if we want to but have you ever

1050
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:40,490
explored that Avenue nope I've not done

1051
00:43:44,470 --> 00:43:42,410
psychedelics I don't really have a plan

1052
00:43:47,049 --> 00:43:44,480
to kick down on the idea of doing an

1053
00:43:48,970 --> 00:43:47,059
ayahuasca journey and maybe one day

1054
00:43:51,819 --> 00:43:48,980
it'll happen I'll just get into that

1055
00:43:54,039 --> 00:43:51,829
mode and I'll I'll just go out and do it

1056
00:43:56,289 --> 00:43:54,049
but I haven't really been tempted to do

1057
00:43:58,510 --> 00:43:56,299
it and I'll truthfully tell you I'm

1058
00:44:00,910 --> 00:43:58,520
skeptical of the value of that

1059
00:44:02,799 --> 00:44:00,920
information now I am aware that a lot of

1060
00:44:04,780 --> 00:44:02,809
folks who've done these types of

1061
00:44:05,980 --> 00:44:04,790
hallucinogenics have compared notes with

1062
00:44:08,140 --> 00:44:05,990
each other

1063
00:44:10,630 --> 00:44:08,150
and they'll talk about snake-like people

1064
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:10,640
or I just had a conversation you know

1065
00:44:13,930 --> 00:44:12,530
about a year ago with Nick Redfern who

1066
00:44:15,670 --> 00:44:13,940
studied men in black and he told me

1067
00:44:18,580 --> 00:44:15,680
about someone who had a DMT experience

1068
00:44:20,370 --> 00:44:18,590
where they saw men in black now the

1069
00:44:23,109 --> 00:44:20,380
question is did they or didn't they I

1070
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:23,119
don't really think that anyone is

1071
00:44:28,210 --> 00:44:26,690
confirmed are you truly breaking through

1072
00:44:30,609 --> 00:44:28,220
the doors of perception to another

1073
00:44:32,990 --> 00:44:30,619
dimension or to another place within

1074
00:44:36,020 --> 00:44:33,000
your own psyche

1075
00:44:37,490 --> 00:44:36,030
maybe people who have done this have a

1076
00:44:39,890 --> 00:44:37,500
very strong opinion one way or the other

1077
00:44:42,380 --> 00:44:39,900
but I have personally spoken to people

1078
00:44:45,020 --> 00:44:42,390
who had either of those opinions so I'm

1079
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:45,030
not sure what I think about them that's

1080
00:44:49,130 --> 00:44:46,770
fair I mean even the psychedelic

1081
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:49,140
community is split as you say I have had

1082
00:44:54,020 --> 00:44:51,570
one breakthrough experience and the day

1083
00:44:56,030 --> 00:44:54,030
before I would have been fully convinced

1084
00:44:59,330 --> 00:44:56,040
that these things weren't real that

1085
00:45:01,970 --> 00:44:59,340
people are meeting on drugs but after it

1086
00:45:03,950 --> 00:45:01,980
happens it's just like a feeling that

1087
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:03,960
you have it's like how could you explain

1088
00:45:08,570 --> 00:45:06,450
green to a blind person you know it's

1089
00:45:10,310 --> 00:45:08,580
like you know it when you see it no no I

1090
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:10,320
get it and I'm not even dismissing what

1091
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:12,450
you say I mean please understand I'm not

1092
00:45:19,130 --> 00:45:15,570
yeah you might be wrong my attitude

1093
00:45:21,150 --> 00:45:19,140
about dimensions and speaking as a non

1094
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:21,160
scientists here but

1095
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:24,130
I do believe that there are

1096
00:45:29,820 --> 00:45:27,450
areas of reality that we cannot

1097
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:29,830
ordinarily perceive it's simply a

1098
00:45:34,590 --> 00:45:32,170
limitation of our senses all right we

1099
00:45:37,980 --> 00:45:34,600
have to remember we have senses that

1100
00:45:40,250 --> 00:45:37,990
allow us to perceive certain things

1101
00:45:42,870 --> 00:45:40,260
about the world around us but you know

1102
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:42,880
maybe it's possible that a psychedelic

1103
00:45:49,020 --> 00:45:46,050
can activate part of the mind and

1104
00:45:50,780 --> 00:45:49,030
activate another sense so I keep that as

1105
00:45:53,430 --> 00:45:50,790
a possibility I would not rule that out

1106
00:45:57,690 --> 00:45:53,440
the question is what kind of actionable

1107
00:45:59,610 --> 00:45:57,700
information can you take away from that

1108
00:46:01,380 --> 00:45:59,620
experience that's another question like

1109
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:01,390
who are these people can you have a

1110
00:46:04,170 --> 00:46:02,650
conversation with them can you learn

1111
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:04,180
about their psychology can you learn

1112
00:46:08,190 --> 00:46:06,010
about their motivations can you learn

1113
00:46:10,290 --> 00:46:08,200
about why they seem to be abducting

1114
00:46:13,050 --> 00:46:10,300
people can you learn about their physics

1115
00:46:14,700 --> 00:46:13,060
can you learn about their material

1116
00:46:16,140 --> 00:46:14,710
science which seems to be off the charts

1117
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:16,150
you know I mean it's like I don't know

1118
00:46:21,060 --> 00:46:18,970
how much actual information one can get

1119
00:46:22,860 --> 00:46:21,070
out of that other than they love us or

1120
00:46:25,170 --> 00:46:22,870
they don't love us or you know things

1121
00:46:27,930 --> 00:46:25,180
like that or the message which you hear

1122
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:27,940
you know love each other and this way

1123
00:46:32,790 --> 00:46:29,770
you can ascend I mean the ascension

1124
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:32,800
message was one that just flooded us in

1125
00:46:37,820 --> 00:46:36,090
the ramp up to 2012 and

1126
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:37,830
if another aliens gonna give me another

1127
00:46:42,860 --> 00:46:41,610
moralistic platitude then better you

1128
00:46:46,340 --> 00:46:42,870
take it than me I'm kind of done with

1129
00:46:49,580 --> 00:46:46,350
that they're not just platitudes yes and

1130
00:46:51,620 --> 00:46:49,590
of course it's not even a guarantee that

1131
00:46:53,510 --> 00:46:51,630
these are the same beans even if you

1132
00:46:55,610 --> 00:46:53,520
were to say that these psychedelic

1133
00:46:57,830 --> 00:46:55,620
experience contact things are real I

1134
00:46:59,600 --> 00:46:57,840
mean doesn't mean it's the same entities

1135
00:47:01,370 --> 00:46:59,610
at all but I know you're aware of that

1136
00:47:04,190 --> 00:47:01,380
documentary witness of another world

1137
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:04,200
you've had the director on your show as

1138
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:06,570
well yes indeed and what's curious about

1139
00:47:11,330 --> 00:47:08,850
that is the main subject of the film has

1140
00:47:13,370 --> 00:47:11,340
this experience and it just uproots his

1141
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:13,380
life but then he learns that he has a

1142
00:47:18,290 --> 00:47:15,930
lineage of shamanism and you hear from

1143
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:18,300
the actual shamans and they're not

1144
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:21,450
surprised by UFO activity at all they're

1145
00:47:25,970 --> 00:47:23,490
just like yeah it's very normal we're

1146
00:47:27,860 --> 00:47:25,980
familiar with it so it's really the

1147
00:47:29,750 --> 00:47:27,870
shamans that make me think that there's

1148
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:29,760
a deeper connection even more so than my

1149
00:47:34,910 --> 00:47:33,090
own limited experience I'm on board with

1150
00:47:36,620 --> 00:47:34,920
a lot of what you're saying here and I

1151
00:47:39,830 --> 00:47:36,630
thought witness to another world was a

1152
00:47:42,140 --> 00:47:39,840
fascinating film and I was really happy

1153
00:47:44,540 --> 00:47:42,150
to talk to the creator of that alan

1154
00:47:46,820 --> 00:47:44,550
stivell man myself and I really liked

1155
00:47:49,370 --> 00:47:46,830
what he was doing there

1156
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:49,380
it's a fair question there's an element

1157
00:47:56,050 --> 00:47:53,850
of this phenomenon that's definitely

1158
00:47:58,850 --> 00:47:56,060
physical definitely technological and

1159
00:48:02,390 --> 00:47:58,860
there is an element of this phenomenon

1160
00:48:04,630 --> 00:48:02,400
that is you could say consciousness

1161
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:04,640
based but it's almost even beyond

1162
00:48:11,630 --> 00:48:08,010
consciousness in the sense of it thinks

1163
00:48:14,270 --> 00:48:11,640
so far ahead of us probably you know I

1164
00:48:17,210 --> 00:48:14,280
came across an interview not long ago by

1165
00:48:18,890 --> 00:48:17,220
dr. Eric Davis who's one of those guys

1166
00:48:21,910 --> 00:48:18,900
on the inside at least to some extent

1167
00:48:24,620 --> 00:48:21,920
he's on the inside he knows a lot and

1168
00:48:26,620 --> 00:48:24,630
Davis put it like that I think it was

1169
00:48:29,510 --> 00:48:26,630
with Alejandro Rojas and he just said

1170
00:48:30,740 --> 00:48:29,520
you've got a technological phenomenon at

1171
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:30,750
the same time you've got something

1172
00:48:37,430 --> 00:48:33,930
that's pre cognitively conscious of us

1173
00:48:40,700 --> 00:48:37,440
or sentient in a precognitive way like

1174
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:40,710
so far beyond us we don't know how to

1175
00:48:48,020 --> 00:48:42,930
deal with it so that would almost seem

1176
00:48:50,750 --> 00:48:48,030
like there's this spiritual element to

1177
00:48:53,090 --> 00:48:50,760
what at least appears to be the

1178
00:48:55,790 --> 00:48:53,100
phenomenon but there's definitely

1179
00:48:58,520 --> 00:48:55,800
technology involved too so it's tricky

1180
00:49:00,680 --> 00:48:58,530
to try to understand what exactly are we

1181
00:49:03,470 --> 00:49:00,690
dealing with but the consciousness part

1182
00:49:04,850 --> 00:49:03,480
of it really does matter and I mean how

1183
00:49:06,890 --> 00:49:04,860
could it not if you're talking about

1184
00:49:10,070 --> 00:49:06,900
people getting telepathic messages which

1185
00:49:13,700 --> 00:49:10,080
that's consciousness you know we don't

1186
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:13,710
understand this you find a scientist who

1187
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:18,570
can explain how remote viewing works the

1188
00:49:24,020 --> 00:49:20,970
physics of it and none of these people

1189
00:49:26,690 --> 00:49:24,030
can you have people who say

1190
00:49:28,550 --> 00:49:26,700
oh yeah well it works okay well fine so

1191
00:49:31,390 --> 00:49:28,560
it works but like how does it work how

1192
00:49:33,500 --> 00:49:31,400
is it possible for a human being to

1193
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:33,510
perceive something literally on the

1194
00:49:36,530 --> 00:49:35,010
other side of the world and how is it

1195
00:49:39,620 --> 00:49:36,540
possible for human being to perceive

1196
00:49:44,290 --> 00:49:39,630
something in another time whether past

1197
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:44,300
or future like that wreaks havoc with

1198
00:49:49,610 --> 00:49:47,010
our common sense notion of space and

1199
00:49:51,260 --> 00:49:49,620
time and yet the fact is there are

1200
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:51,270
people who can do those things

1201
00:49:58,340 --> 00:49:55,530
how is telepathy that is clairaudience

1202
00:50:01,280 --> 00:49:58,350
really how is that even physically

1203
00:50:03,890 --> 00:50:01,290
possible we don't have answers for that

1204
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:03,900
as far as I can see I've never come

1205
00:50:07,250 --> 00:50:05,850
across a single scientist who actually

1206
00:50:08,990 --> 00:50:07,260
knows how to explain it that's why they

1207
00:50:14,030 --> 00:50:09,000
dismiss it because they don't have a

1208
00:50:15,890 --> 00:50:14,040
theory for it but yet it's true so for

1209
00:50:18,850 --> 00:50:15,900
that reason it makes it really hard for

1210
00:50:22,070 --> 00:50:18,860
us to understand these more difficult

1211
00:50:24,380 --> 00:50:22,080
elements that the UFO problem

1212
00:50:28,010 --> 00:50:24,390
incorporates it incorporates this type

1213
00:50:31,340 --> 00:50:28,020
of advanced consciousness and the fact

1214
00:50:33,770 --> 00:50:31,350
is we don't know how to explain it so

1215
00:50:35,510 --> 00:50:33,780
we're kind of grasping around flailing

1216
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:35,520
in the dark here to try to come up with

1217
00:50:39,410 --> 00:50:37,890
a genuine answer that incorporate it's

1218
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:39,420
almost like coming up with a grand

1219
00:50:44,870 --> 00:50:42,210
theory of physics right which they've

1220
00:50:47,810 --> 00:50:44,880
all want physicists want they're so to

1221
00:50:49,190 --> 00:50:47,820
understand UFOs you need a kind of grand

1222
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:49,200
theory of physics to incorporate it

1223
00:50:53,780 --> 00:50:51,450
because it really is beyond our current

1224
00:50:55,670 --> 00:50:53,790
understanding of things oh I absolutely

1225
00:50:58,010 --> 00:50:55,680
agree and I've had a lot of guests on

1226
00:51:00,230 --> 00:50:58,020
about the electric universe model and

1227
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:00,240
about ether physics because the whole

1228
00:51:04,940 --> 00:51:02,490
thing is if these craps are real then

1229
00:51:06,530 --> 00:51:04,950
they were like you say they work so we

1230
00:51:08,780 --> 00:51:06,540
have to figure out what they're doing

1231
00:51:11,530 --> 00:51:08,790
and there are people in the realm of

1232
00:51:14,930 --> 00:51:11,540
ether physics who think they know and

1233
00:51:17,060 --> 00:51:14,940
that's kind of exciting but I mean like

1234
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:17,070
like you said it is a it's a tangled web

1235
00:51:20,810 --> 00:51:19,170
and I do like the consciousness side of

1236
00:51:22,340 --> 00:51:20,820
things I like the spiritual side and

1237
00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:22,350
then I come back to someone like string

1238
00:51:25,550 --> 00:51:24,210
field and those crash retrievals and

1239
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:25,560
then you're right back to the physical

1240
00:51:31,340 --> 00:51:29,370
and it is just a lot to unpack and again

1241
00:51:33,770 --> 00:51:31,350
just because I don't hear you asked

1242
00:51:36,650 --> 00:51:33,780
about this really ever let me ask you

1243
00:51:37,370 --> 00:51:36,660
about a cult ritual or those types of

1244
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:37,380
forms of

1245
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:38,610
because I know you've written about

1246
00:51:43,070 --> 00:51:40,770
Crowley in long I know you've

1247
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:43,080
interviewed Gordon white of course have

1248
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:45,330
you ever considered sitting in on a

1249
00:51:49,790 --> 00:51:47,610
summoning or invocation to see what type

1250
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:49,800
of contact is possible in that way

1251
00:51:58,700 --> 00:51:55,410
well it's something that I could try let

1252
00:52:03,680 --> 00:51:58,710
me just say I've researched all of this

1253
00:52:05,240 --> 00:52:03,690
in various ways so

1254
00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:05,250
it's something that I've known about for

1255
00:52:11,430 --> 00:52:07,890
a long time you know I know what

1256
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:11,440
ceremonial magic is and

1257
00:52:16,650 --> 00:52:14,850
I understand the principles of it

1258
00:52:19,980 --> 00:52:16,660
question is have

1259
00:52:22,589 --> 00:52:19,990
ever tried it in a serious way no would

1260
00:52:25,319 --> 00:52:22,599
ever participate or at least watch yes I

1261
00:52:27,539 --> 00:52:25,329
would definitely watch to see what's

1262
00:52:30,359 --> 00:52:27,549
going on there it's I mean it's hard to

1263
00:52:33,210 --> 00:52:30,369
say like I know what ritual is and I

1264
00:52:35,970 --> 00:52:33,220
know what ritual does I've participated

1265
00:52:38,789 --> 00:52:35,980
in rituals even at monastic retreats for

1266
00:52:42,059 --> 00:52:38,799
goodness sake I mean there's a value to

1267
00:52:45,329 --> 00:52:42,069
having ritual in a spiritual practice

1268
00:52:47,130 --> 00:52:45,339
it's actually really important because

1269
00:52:50,309 --> 00:52:47,140
what a ritual does of course is it

1270
00:52:51,900 --> 00:52:50,319
trains your mind that's really what it

1271
00:52:56,630 --> 00:52:51,910
is it's just a way to focus your mind

1272
00:52:59,220 --> 00:52:56,640
your mind is the tool and the ritual is

1273
00:53:02,539 --> 00:52:59,230
well it's the means for getting your

1274
00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:02,549
mind as a tool to work in a certain way

1275
00:53:10,849 --> 00:53:07,170
that's really all it is so

1276
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:10,859
you know ritual I mean scientists really

1277
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:15,450
don't fully understand often I feel the

1278
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:18,490
power of what ritual can do

1279
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:21,010
now the real question that maybe you're

1280
00:53:28,410 --> 00:53:24,970
getting it I don't know is Ken ritual in

1281
00:53:30,870 --> 00:53:28,420
this manner the ritual of invocation in

1282
00:53:32,290 --> 00:53:30,880
this case bring in entities from

1283
00:53:34,450 --> 00:53:32,300
elsewhere

1284
00:53:37,630 --> 00:53:34,460
presumably through the power of our own

1285
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:37,640
mind and you know there are stories of

1286
00:53:41,590 --> 00:53:39,170
this has happened I mean this is a story

1287
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:41,600
of Jack Parsons and l ron Hubbard right

1288
00:53:50,010 --> 00:53:43,850
from Nevada in the 1940s ed to it

1289
00:53:52,420 --> 00:53:50,020
Parsons did all I can say is maybe maybe

1290
00:53:54,820 --> 00:53:52,430
yeah it's just one of those things where

1291
00:53:56,950 --> 00:53:54,830
I know it's strange but I get sick of

1292
00:53:59,110 --> 00:53:56,960
waiting for deathbed confessions or

1293
00:54:00,670 --> 00:53:59,120
disclosure and I just want to jump in

1294
00:54:02,170 --> 00:54:00,680
the deep end the pool or actually I want

1295
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:02,180
you to do it and then tell me how it

1296
00:54:07,450 --> 00:54:05,330
goes but I mean even Steven Greer to an

1297
00:54:11,740 --> 00:54:07,460
extent could fall into that category and

1298
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:11,750
there's definite orys of blue summoning

1299
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:14,090
UFOs I mean that's what the ce-5 stuff

1300
00:54:17,170 --> 00:54:16,610
is that's exactly what it is and what

1301
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:17,180
he's done

1302
00:54:21,670 --> 00:54:19,610
no he's created a ritual that's exactly

1303
00:54:23,770 --> 00:54:21,680
what that is so the cd5 he calls it a

1304
00:54:27,610 --> 00:54:23,780
protocol but it's ritual but it's a

1305
00:54:30,070 --> 00:54:27,620
method by which you focus your intention

1306
00:54:32,980 --> 00:54:30,080
and I've participated in c-five events

1307
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:32,990
I've gone never had any remote success

1308
00:54:39,100 --> 00:54:36,650
and I have friends who do ce-5 and I

1309
00:54:40,690 --> 00:54:39,110
respect them and I believe them when

1310
00:54:42,910 --> 00:54:40,700
they tell me that things have happened

1311
00:54:44,620 --> 00:54:42,920
so I don't want to be misunderstood but

1312
00:54:47,410 --> 00:54:44,630
I do know that there are many cases

1313
00:54:49,720 --> 00:54:47,420
where people will do see e5s and they

1314
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:49,730
turn a satellite into you know an alien

1315
00:54:56,500 --> 00:54:53,450
craft and that happens a lot so the

1316
00:55:00,790 --> 00:54:56,510
power of belief can go both ways maybe

1317
00:55:03,540 --> 00:55:00,800
there's an actual summoning I definitely

1318
00:55:06,330 --> 00:55:03,550
leave as a possibility

1319
00:55:08,790 --> 00:55:06,340
but there's a lot of noise in that whole

1320
00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:08,800
thing so it's so true again it's a

1321
00:55:12,630 --> 00:55:11,170
crapshoot but I would unify people who

1322
00:55:16,470 --> 00:55:12,640
said Richard we want you out there for

1323
00:55:18,780 --> 00:55:16,480
us to e5 if it's a nice warm night and I

1324
00:55:21,390 --> 00:55:18,790
don't mind the company I would consider

1325
00:55:24,240 --> 00:55:21,400
I suppose that I put a lot more stock in

1326
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:24,250
the kind of grimoire magic than I do see

1327
00:55:27,660 --> 00:55:25,930
e5 just because there's a longer history

1328
00:55:29,850 --> 00:55:27,670
I mean I still don't have experience

1329
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:29,860
with it and just like alien bodies in

1330
00:55:33,540 --> 00:55:31,210
the basement of wright-patterson I got

1331
00:55:35,370 --> 00:55:33,550
to take someone else's word for it but

1332
00:55:37,380 --> 00:55:35,380
we hear about it enough that I think

1333
00:55:39,540 --> 00:55:37,390
there's some meat on those bones and of

1334
00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:39,550
course Peter Levin is written about blue

1335
00:55:45,570 --> 00:55:42,850
blood elite summonings in contact with

1336
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:45,580
the nine and some beans and spaceships

1337
00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:47,770
apparently that said they want to enact

1338
00:55:52,859 --> 00:55:49,690
their will through these people in this

1339
00:55:55,710 --> 00:55:52,869
farmhouse in Maine so they've done it

1340
00:55:58,260 --> 00:55:55,720
it's just like I guess I get impatient

1341
00:56:00,150 --> 00:55:58,270
with these certain people the invisible

1342
00:56:01,740 --> 00:56:00,160
college having this information they're

1343
00:56:05,820 --> 00:56:01,750
not letting loose on their grip and

1344
00:56:08,340 --> 00:56:05,830
there might be other ways to to get out

1345
00:56:12,450 --> 00:56:08,350
of the library and into the field and

1346
00:56:15,599 --> 00:56:12,460
possibly contact something firsthand

1347
00:56:17,220 --> 00:56:15,609
I can appreciate the impatience I felt

1348
00:56:19,890 --> 00:56:17,230
that many many times my life I mean

1349
00:56:22,530 --> 00:56:19,900
here's the thing we're dumped into a

1350
00:56:25,460 --> 00:56:22,540
world that's got now seven and a half

1351
00:56:28,530 --> 00:56:25,470
billion people a lot of people out there

1352
00:56:30,370 --> 00:56:28,540
there's a lot of forces out there in

1353
00:56:35,970 --> 00:56:30,380
this world

1354
00:56:38,109 --> 00:56:35,980
or for worse it is an entrenched

1355
00:56:41,410 --> 00:56:38,119
structure

1356
00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:41,420
and for any one of us to think oh yeah

1357
00:56:44,559 --> 00:56:42,650
I'm just going to go in and I'm going to

1358
00:56:46,390 --> 00:56:44,569
rearrange that structure I'm gonna

1359
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:46,400
change things I'm gonna make this

1360
00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:52,470
you know I had this idea well years ago

1361
00:56:58,970 --> 00:56:55,810
and it hasn't happened now it doesn't

1362
00:57:03,150 --> 00:56:58,980
mean that change doesn't happen but

1363
00:57:07,510 --> 00:57:03,160
dramatic change like flipping a switch

1364
00:57:09,670 --> 00:57:07,520
and disclosure and that's everything

1365
00:57:11,740 --> 00:57:09,680
so sure about that anymore when I wrote

1366
00:57:13,660 --> 00:57:11,750
my first book UFOs in the national

1367
00:57:15,100 --> 00:57:13,670
security state the first volume I was

1368
00:57:18,100 --> 00:57:15,110
writing it all through the later half of

1369
00:57:20,050 --> 00:57:18,110
the 1990s and I wouldn't say that I

1370
00:57:21,370 --> 00:57:20,060
thought that that book would be the

1371
00:57:24,310 --> 00:57:21,380
hammer that broke the wall of secrecy

1372
00:57:26,230 --> 00:57:24,320
but I did allow myself some fantasy

1373
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:26,240
moments late at night thinking maybe

1374
00:57:31,420 --> 00:57:27,770
this will be the hammer that breaks the

1375
00:57:33,460 --> 00:57:31,430
secrecy like maybe what if if I do just

1376
00:57:35,980 --> 00:57:33,470
a perfect enough argument I lay things

1377
00:57:38,730 --> 00:57:35,990
out make it airtight and so on and so on

1378
00:57:41,410 --> 00:57:38,740
but that would affect enough people and

1379
00:57:43,510 --> 00:57:41,420
what it did instead is it was a popular

1380
00:57:48,570 --> 00:57:43,520
book in the UFO field it has affected

1381
00:57:52,240 --> 00:57:48,580
our community and perhaps has had a slow

1382
00:57:55,030 --> 00:57:52,250
ripple effect very slow has contributed

1383
00:57:56,750 --> 00:57:55,040
I should say to a slow ripple effect for

1384
00:57:58,520 --> 00:57:56,760
the rest of the world but

1385
00:58:01,550 --> 00:57:58,530
it hasn't changed the structure of power

1386
00:58:04,820 --> 00:58:01,560
and we have a very entrenched system

1387
00:58:10,250 --> 00:58:04,830
here it's very entrenched I think that

1388
00:58:12,170 --> 00:58:10,260
we all benefit from pushing the reality

1389
00:58:14,870 --> 00:58:12,180
of this phenomenon and getting it out

1390
00:58:16,580 --> 00:58:14,880
there as effectively as possible I'm a

1391
00:58:18,620 --> 00:58:16,590
firm believer in that I don't like being

1392
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:18,630
lied to by my government I don't like

1393
00:58:21,980 --> 00:58:19,890
being treated like I'm five years old

1394
00:58:24,620 --> 00:58:21,990
spoon-fed [\h__\h] for the rest of my

1395
00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:24,630
life while a whole other reality is

1396
00:58:31,289 --> 00:58:27,330
there and that's unacknowledged so I'm

1397
00:58:34,679 --> 00:58:31,299
not a fan of that on the other hand

1398
00:58:37,230 --> 00:58:34,689
to think that I or anyone else is going

1399
00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:37,240
to be able to transform that overnight

1400
00:58:42,600 --> 00:58:39,730
strikes me the more I go into this as

1401
00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:42,610
fantasy thinking so I'm going to try to

1402
00:58:46,950 --> 00:58:44,770
be realistic here

1403
00:58:50,220 --> 00:58:46,960
you know I think it was Jordan Peterson

1404
00:58:51,780 --> 00:58:50,230
who I very much admire who made an

1405
00:58:52,860 --> 00:58:51,790
analogy said you know people go into

1406
00:58:54,150 --> 00:58:52,870
this world thinking they're just gonna

1407
00:58:57,870 --> 00:58:54,160
change the world like they know how the

1408
00:59:00,800 --> 00:58:57,880
world system should work he said imagine

1409
00:59:03,030 --> 00:59:00,810
you're gonna go and take on a helicopter

1410
00:59:05,670 --> 00:59:03,040
you have this idea that you can design

1411
00:59:08,610 --> 00:59:05,680
this helicopter and change it around and

1412
00:59:10,650 --> 00:59:08,620
make it fly better he said all you'll do

1413
00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:10,660
is you'll destroy the helicopter and he

1414
00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:12,490
pointed out you know the global system

1415
00:59:17,940 --> 00:59:15,850
the societal system of things that make

1416
00:59:21,090 --> 00:59:17,950
our community work are equally

1417
00:59:23,130 --> 00:59:21,100
intricately complex and I think his

1418
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:23,140
point in his case was don't go thinking

1419
00:59:26,610 --> 00:59:24,490
that you can just go in and muck about

1420
00:59:30,070 --> 00:59:26,620
and not make things worse instead of

1421
00:59:32,410 --> 00:59:30,080
making them better now in our case

1422
00:59:34,840 --> 00:59:32,420
I have believed consistently for the 25

1423
00:59:38,980 --> 00:59:34,850
years that I've worked on this that UFO

1424
00:59:43,310 --> 00:59:38,990
secrecy has damaged our society more

1425
00:59:45,890 --> 00:59:43,320
than it has helped our society but

1426
00:59:49,130 --> 00:59:45,900
there's a couple of what-ifs you know

1427
00:59:52,490 --> 00:59:49,140
what if the story about Jimmy Carter

1428
00:59:54,740 --> 00:59:52,500
crying in his Oval Office in 1977 was

1429
00:59:58,609 --> 00:59:54,750
based on the fact that he recognized

1430
01:00:00,859 --> 00:59:58,619
that this reality is dark and we don't

1431
01:00:02,630 --> 01:00:00,869
have any way of controlling it you know

1432
01:00:04,670 --> 01:00:02,640
if these beings could squash us like a

1433
01:00:05,990 --> 01:00:04,680
bug or if they have infiltrated us or if

1434
01:00:08,090 --> 01:00:06,000
they're undermining us or if they're

1435
01:00:11,269 --> 01:00:08,100
doing terrible things to us and he can't

1436
01:00:14,040 --> 01:00:11,279
control like what if that were true

1437
01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:14,050
and we don't know how to stop it

1438
01:00:19,080 --> 01:00:16,930
is disclosure good or not well my

1439
01:00:20,680 --> 01:00:19,090
attitude is the truth is always better

1440
01:00:26,020 --> 01:00:20,690
than fiction

1441
01:00:29,500 --> 01:00:26,030
but all I'm saying is I'm doing

1442
01:00:32,020 --> 01:00:29,510
everything that I feel I can do to shed

1443
01:00:35,559 --> 01:00:32,030
light on this subject but I'm not going

1444
01:00:36,910 --> 01:00:35,569
to hold my breath and think that we're

1445
01:00:37,809 --> 01:00:36,920
gonna change things I mean one of the

1446
01:00:39,940 --> 01:00:37,819
things that we're dealing with we

1447
01:00:42,400 --> 01:00:39,950
haven't yet discussed but I'd be up for

1448
01:00:44,430 --> 01:00:42,410
it is the technological transformation

1449
01:00:46,839 --> 01:00:44,440
of our society and what is doing to us

1450
01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:46,849
basically the whole transhumanist

1451
01:00:51,970 --> 01:00:48,410
revolution that is right on our doorstep

1452
01:00:56,410 --> 01:00:51,980
sure and that is including whether it's

1453
01:01:00,130 --> 01:00:56,420
AI or 5g Tec 5g technology and the

1454
01:01:02,620 --> 01:01:00,140
coming 24/7 non-stop surveillance state

1455
01:01:04,120 --> 01:01:02,630
that will not only be watching us all

1456
01:01:06,819 --> 01:01:04,130
the time but will be literally

1457
01:01:09,480 --> 01:01:06,829
controlling our behavior and turning us

1458
01:01:12,990 --> 01:01:09,490
into a different sort of human

1459
01:01:15,820 --> 01:01:13,000
one without initiative one without will

1460
01:01:18,500 --> 01:01:15,830
I really believe that's what's happening

1461
01:01:20,390 --> 01:01:18,510
and so that's a huge

1462
01:01:22,670 --> 01:01:20,400
transformational shift that's going on

1463
01:01:26,180 --> 01:01:22,680
to our species it'll take a few

1464
01:01:28,910 --> 01:01:26,190
generations but it's happening and you

1465
01:01:31,660 --> 01:01:28,920
can actually see culturally that that

1466
01:01:35,150 --> 01:01:31,670
it's changing successive generations

1467
01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:35,160
from the last more and more in my view

1468
01:01:40,220 --> 01:01:36,810
absolutely in a bad way

1469
01:01:42,920 --> 01:01:40,230
in other words 20 years from now let's

1470
01:01:46,490 --> 01:01:42,930
say we get to a point where a disclosure

1471
01:01:48,790 --> 01:01:46,500
can happen the question that I think we

1472
01:01:50,670 --> 01:01:48,800
can ask is

1473
01:01:54,099 --> 01:01:50,680
will it happen in a way that is

1474
01:01:58,270 --> 01:01:54,109
completely controlled by the established

1475
01:02:01,329 --> 01:01:58,280
powers with total spin and manipulation

1476
01:02:03,370 --> 01:02:01,339
of data so that it's almost as if

1477
01:02:04,839 --> 01:02:03,380
disclosure didn't even happen you know

1478
01:02:07,310 --> 01:02:04,849
if you look at all the amount of UFO

1479
01:02:11,540 --> 01:02:07,320
data that exists as a mountain

1480
01:02:14,870 --> 01:02:11,550
imagine that the tiniest sliver of that

1481
01:02:19,240 --> 01:02:14,880
mountain is disclosed giving a very very

1482
01:02:22,520 --> 01:02:19,250
skewed view of what this subject is and

1483
01:02:25,100 --> 01:02:22,530
life goes on well everyone's now you

1484
01:02:27,550 --> 01:02:25,110
know having their total immersive video

1485
01:02:30,080 --> 01:02:27,560
games and having their Soylent Green or

1486
01:02:32,030 --> 01:02:30,090
doing whatever and living their own

1487
01:02:33,050 --> 01:02:32,040
little fantasy world because that's

1488
01:02:35,090 --> 01:02:33,060
really all it's gonna happen there's not

1489
01:02:39,440 --> 01:02:35,100
gonna be jobs for people they're gonna

1490
01:02:41,180 --> 01:02:39,450
be living off of a system where they're

1491
01:02:44,060 --> 01:02:41,190
controlled they're given a certain

1492
01:02:45,440 --> 01:02:44,070
income and because you're given an

1493
01:02:48,030 --> 01:02:45,450
income from the state you're controlled

1494
01:02:50,940 --> 01:02:48,040
by the state and

1495
01:02:53,790 --> 01:02:50,950
you know the last thing government's

1496
01:02:55,620 --> 01:02:53,800
will want from citizens that are totally

1497
01:02:58,470 --> 01:02:55,630
dependent on them is initiative and

1498
01:02:59,880 --> 01:02:58,480
independent thought and they'll make

1499
01:03:01,290 --> 01:02:59,890
absolutely sure that there is no

1500
01:03:03,390 --> 01:03:01,300
initiative and no independent thought

1501
01:03:05,690 --> 01:03:03,400
and you do that through [\h__\h] food

1502
01:03:08,210 --> 01:03:05,700
through [\h__\h] entertainment

1503
01:03:09,740 --> 01:03:08,220
and fantasy games more and more fantasy

1504
01:03:11,870 --> 01:03:09,750
games and you know we see it even in

1505
01:03:13,700 --> 01:03:11,880
Hollywood with the superhero movies and

1506
01:03:15,350 --> 01:03:13,710
all the fantasy seems that they have

1507
01:03:17,540 --> 01:03:15,360
coming out but you'll see it throughout

1508
01:03:19,970 --> 01:03:17,550
the culture so it's a complete divorce

1509
01:03:21,950 --> 01:03:19,980
from reality I think that's what we're

1510
01:03:25,790 --> 01:03:21,960
looking at and so in that kind of a

1511
01:03:28,030 --> 01:03:25,800
world I really ask myself like what will

1512
01:03:29,590 --> 01:03:28,040
disclosure even matter

1513
01:03:32,830 --> 01:03:29,600
because it's almost likely gonna be

1514
01:03:34,660 --> 01:03:32,840
given to an utterly ignorant population

1515
01:03:36,670 --> 01:03:34,670
that has no sense of his own history

1516
01:03:39,790 --> 01:03:36,680
anymore that there's no sense of its own

1517
01:03:42,520 --> 01:03:39,800
humanity anymore will it even matter I

1518
01:03:44,890 --> 01:03:42,530
mean this is I guess some of my darker

1519
01:03:46,150 --> 01:03:44,900
thoughts but I can't lie to you and say

1520
01:03:48,310 --> 01:03:46,160
like I don't think about it because I do

1521
01:03:50,500 --> 01:03:48,320
think about it I wonder about this right

1522
01:03:52,690 --> 01:03:50,510
well you're in good company here and I

1523
01:03:55,150 --> 01:03:52,700
actually have a quote of yours it's

1524
01:03:57,310 --> 01:03:55,160
really great about technology we say it

1525
01:03:59,170 --> 01:03:57,320
won't end with us being watched mind

1526
01:04:01,450 --> 01:03:59,180
reading technologies are being developed

1527
01:04:03,490 --> 01:04:01,460
electrodes can be attached to your skull

1528
01:04:06,490 --> 01:04:03,500
and algorithms can identify the words

1529
01:04:08,470 --> 01:04:06,500
you think with 90% accuracy you see your

1530
01:04:10,960 --> 01:04:08,480
brain produces certain wavelengths when

1531
01:04:12,910 --> 01:04:10,970
you think certain words so surprise the

1532
01:04:14,800 --> 01:04:12,920
current tech is a bit clunky since it

1533
01:04:16,960 --> 01:04:14,810
requires you to be thinking actual words

1534
01:04:18,370 --> 01:04:16,970
and they still need wires connected to

1535
01:04:22,480 --> 01:04:18,380
your skull but it's a start

1536
01:04:24,700 --> 01:04:22,490
what is unnerving is how optimistic some

1537
01:04:27,280 --> 01:04:24,710
of these articles sound how happy the

1538
01:04:29,950 --> 01:04:27,290
authors are that these new technologies

1539
01:04:31,810 --> 01:04:29,960
can quote help people how wonderful sure

1540
01:04:33,670 --> 01:04:31,820
who doesn't want their mind picked open

1541
01:04:34,720 --> 01:04:33,680
by a futuristic artificially intelligent

1542
01:04:37,840 --> 01:04:34,730
locksmith

1543
01:04:40,150 --> 01:04:37,850
I mean BAM there it is some of these

1544
01:04:42,460 --> 01:04:40,160
writers I mean I just think how utterly

1545
01:04:44,440 --> 01:04:42,470
irresponsible they are

1546
01:04:46,330 --> 01:04:44,450
most of them aren't really that smart

1547
01:04:48,640 --> 01:04:46,340
they're basically shells for their

1548
01:04:50,020 --> 01:04:48,650
corporate masters anyway and you know

1549
01:04:52,420 --> 01:04:50,030
they pose as journalists are not

1550
01:04:54,400 --> 01:04:52,430
actually journalists in my view so

1551
01:04:56,320 --> 01:04:54,410
they're propagandists it's really what

1552
01:04:58,070 --> 01:04:56,330
they are and I think that that's a lot

1553
01:05:00,500 --> 01:04:58,080
of the optimism

1554
01:05:04,100 --> 01:05:00,510
comes from either intentional propaganda

1555
01:05:06,680 --> 01:05:04,110
or more realistically just kind of not

1556
01:05:08,570 --> 01:05:06,690
very deeply philosophical people which

1557
01:05:10,220 --> 01:05:08,580
is normal who are hired by these

1558
01:05:11,780 --> 01:05:10,230
corporations and they're asked to write

1559
01:05:13,610 --> 01:05:11,790
a story on the subject and then they

1560
01:05:15,490 --> 01:05:13,620
they know what's expected of them so

1561
01:05:17,410 --> 01:05:15,500
that's what they do

1562
01:05:19,510 --> 01:05:17,420
and you know there's always short-term

1563
01:05:22,090 --> 01:05:19,520
gain like for example if you want to

1564
01:05:24,970 --> 01:05:22,100
implement a smart city so-called smart

1565
01:05:26,860 --> 01:05:24,980
city what well that means is that it's

1566
01:05:28,810 --> 01:05:26,870
under total surveillance like every

1567
01:05:33,040 --> 01:05:28,820
element of that city has got monitors in

1568
01:05:37,120 --> 01:05:33,050
various ways it very likely would result

1569
01:05:38,740 --> 01:05:37,130
in less street crime I mean in theory

1570
01:05:41,470 --> 01:05:38,750
right because if everyone's being

1571
01:05:43,750 --> 01:05:41,480
surveilled with facial recognition and

1572
01:05:46,500 --> 01:05:43,760
voice recognition software and all that

1573
01:05:48,610 --> 01:05:46,510
is pervasive then if you commit a crime

1574
01:05:49,630 --> 01:05:48,620
you're gonna get caught and even if

1575
01:05:52,570 --> 01:05:49,640
you're wearing a mask

1576
01:05:54,340 --> 01:05:52,580
there's body language recognition I mean

1577
01:05:55,720 --> 01:05:54,350
there's all of these types of

1578
01:05:58,300 --> 01:05:55,730
technologies that are coming online like

1579
01:06:01,600 --> 01:05:58,310
it's going to be impossible to do

1580
01:06:03,130 --> 01:06:01,610
anything without being monitored sure

1581
01:06:04,930 --> 01:06:03,140
it'll make the streets safer in that

1582
01:06:06,730 --> 01:06:04,940
sense and that's good like we don't want

1583
01:06:07,990 --> 01:06:06,740
to go out and get mugged hey I was

1584
01:06:09,970 --> 01:06:08,000
mugged once many years ago I wouldn't

1585
01:06:14,170 --> 01:06:09,980
want it to happen again so there's that

1586
01:06:17,430 --> 01:06:14,180
on the other side of it is you are

1587
01:06:19,839 --> 01:06:17,440
paying a price where you have zero

1588
01:06:22,390 --> 01:06:19,849
privacy

1589
01:06:24,519 --> 01:06:22,400
inside your home inside your bedroom

1590
01:06:27,130 --> 01:06:24,529
most likely and certainly out in the

1591
01:06:29,769 --> 01:06:27,140
street so when you know that you have no

1592
01:06:31,569 --> 01:06:29,779
privacy well that changes your behavior

1593
01:06:33,969 --> 01:06:31,579
entirely and then of course there's even

1594
01:06:36,219 --> 01:06:33,979
more than that there's the whole ability

1595
01:06:38,469 --> 01:06:36,229
to create a not even simply a Minority

1596
01:06:40,809 --> 01:06:38,479
Report type of situation where your

1597
01:06:43,719 --> 01:06:40,819
behaviors can be predicted but the fact

1598
01:06:47,019 --> 01:06:43,729
is every one of us even right now has

1599
01:06:49,359 --> 01:06:47,029
created a digital footprint through our

1600
01:06:51,700 --> 01:06:49,369
web browsing activity through our phone

1601
01:06:55,120 --> 01:06:51,710
through our email through our buying

1602
01:06:57,969 --> 01:06:55,130
habits there are GPS on our phone all of

1603
01:07:01,120 --> 01:06:57,979
that and more we're at the point now

1604
01:07:03,549 --> 01:07:01,130
where algorithms can be created a

1605
01:07:04,960 --> 01:07:03,559
variety of them not just to predict your

1606
01:07:07,210 --> 01:07:04,970
behavior but to create a complete

1607
01:07:11,609 --> 01:07:07,220
psychological profile of who you are in

1608
01:07:13,749 --> 01:07:11,619
a sense that someone else can know you

1609
01:07:15,519 --> 01:07:13,759
better than you know yourself in a lot

1610
01:07:18,160 --> 01:07:15,529
of ways better than I know myself

1611
01:07:20,410 --> 01:07:18,170
like that's actually possible now and

1612
01:07:22,390 --> 01:07:20,420
the only question is who's got access to

1613
01:07:23,499 --> 01:07:22,400
that information well in China the

1614
01:07:26,200 --> 01:07:23,509
government has access to that

1615
01:07:29,319 --> 01:07:26,210
information in the West corporations and

1616
01:07:30,130 --> 01:07:29,329
maybe some government pages have access

1617
01:07:32,650 --> 01:07:30,140
to that information

1618
01:07:34,180 --> 01:07:32,660
we don't really know in the West a lot

1619
01:07:36,160 --> 01:07:34,190
of its corporate so that they can sell

1620
01:07:38,140 --> 01:07:36,170
you things and manipulate you that way

1621
01:07:39,640 --> 01:07:38,150
but that's the world we're moving into

1622
01:07:42,130 --> 01:07:39,650
and it's only gonna get worse not gonna

1623
01:07:44,799 --> 01:07:42,140
get better and that's the thing that's

1624
01:07:49,690 --> 01:07:44,809
actually the saddest part of the world

1625
01:07:52,180 --> 01:07:49,700
we're moving into is this loss of our

1626
01:07:53,499 --> 01:07:52,190
most fundamental element of humanity

1627
01:07:57,639 --> 01:07:53,509
which is

1628
01:08:00,789 --> 01:07:57,649
simply our privacy but our independence

1629
01:08:04,079 --> 01:08:00,799
as human beings like if you don't have

1630
01:08:07,479 --> 01:08:04,089
that if you're not sovereign of yourself

1631
01:08:10,329 --> 01:08:07,489
what are you even doing right so that's

1632
01:08:12,579 --> 01:08:10,339
what's wearing away and that's the thing

1633
01:08:14,499 --> 01:08:12,589
that if I could stop anything anything

1634
01:08:17,620 --> 01:08:14,509
in the world from happening I would stop

1635
01:08:19,479 --> 01:08:17,630
that I just don't know how hey man yes

1636
01:08:21,069 --> 01:08:19,489
you're preaching to the choir I mean

1637
01:08:23,559 --> 01:08:21,079
hosting a show like this I think about

1638
01:08:25,899 --> 01:08:23,569
this stuff every day in a cold sweat in

1639
01:08:26,439 --> 01:08:25,909
bed and you know but give me liberty or

1640
01:08:31,930 --> 01:08:26,449
give me death

1641
01:08:35,529 --> 01:08:31,940
you know and I know we're running out of

1642
01:08:37,749 --> 01:08:35,539
time the last disinfo element I wanted

1643
01:08:40,479 --> 01:08:37,759
to bring in just to talk more about the

1644
01:08:42,490 --> 01:08:40,489
obvious red herrings and ufology you've

1645
01:08:44,950 --> 01:08:42,500
done some pretty epic takedowns of the

1646
01:08:46,870 --> 01:08:44,960
quarry good David Wilcock stuff and to

1647
01:08:49,120 --> 01:08:46,880
be honest an interview with them and a

1648
01:08:51,459 --> 01:08:49,130
request from Roger stones publisher are

1649
01:08:53,499 --> 01:08:51,469
the only two real big interviews I've

1650
01:08:55,779 --> 01:08:53,509
declined to do Roger stone just scares

1651
01:08:57,669 --> 01:08:55,789
me but the quarry good and Wilcock stuff

1652
01:08:59,890 --> 01:08:57,679
even though I've done much crazier

1653
01:09:01,990 --> 01:08:59,900
interviews and as you say I'm willing to

1654
01:09:03,939 --> 01:09:02,000
talk to anyone in this field there is a

1655
01:09:06,910 --> 01:09:03,949
weird feeling I get when a narrative

1656
01:09:09,700 --> 01:09:06,920
gets too popular and I think it starts

1657
01:09:11,470 --> 01:09:09,710
doing a lot of harm and I personally

1658
01:09:13,479 --> 01:09:11,480
don't want to contribute to the problem

1659
01:09:15,430 --> 01:09:13,489
despite what a few shows in my archive

1660
01:09:17,559 --> 01:09:15,440
might suggest but hey those were

1661
01:09:19,200 --> 01:09:17,569
different times and I guess to make a

1662
01:09:21,999 --> 01:09:19,210
question out of this do you have any

1663
01:09:23,740 --> 01:09:22,009
gripes with alternative media or advice

1664
01:09:25,899 --> 01:09:23,750
to make it a positive thing for

1665
01:09:29,169 --> 01:09:25,909
interviewers in this space when it comes

1666
01:09:31,959 --> 01:09:29,179
to that balance between wanting to get

1667
01:09:34,599 --> 01:09:31,969
an epic story that is just a witness

1668
01:09:38,049 --> 01:09:34,609
account with no evidence versus not

1669
01:09:41,470 --> 01:09:38,059
wanting to do harm in the overall quest

1670
01:09:42,860 --> 01:09:41,480
for truth enos think I understand the

1671
01:09:45,290 --> 01:09:42,870
question

1672
01:09:49,280 --> 01:09:45,300
alternative media I mean is actually now

1673
01:09:52,340 --> 01:09:49,290
just non-corporate non-establishment

1674
01:09:54,410 --> 01:09:52,350
media I guess is everything else and do

1675
01:09:57,920 --> 01:09:54,420
you know the thing is we always must

1676
01:10:00,980 --> 01:09:57,930
still I feel the fur of responsible we

1677
01:10:03,980 --> 01:10:00,990
have to follow standard journalistic

1678
01:10:05,450 --> 01:10:03,990
rules which is you should know what your

1679
01:10:06,920 --> 01:10:05,460
sources are you should try to confirm

1680
01:10:08,960 --> 01:10:06,930
your sources and things like that I mean

1681
01:10:11,390 --> 01:10:08,970
I don't think that ever changes that's

1682
01:10:13,160 --> 01:10:11,400
just basic common sense there's a

1683
01:10:14,780 --> 01:10:13,170
responsibility and doing the things that

1684
01:10:15,980 --> 01:10:14,790
we do

1685
01:10:18,560 --> 01:10:15,990
I remember the first time I was ever

1686
01:10:20,930 --> 01:10:18,570
interviewed for any TV thing ever

1687
01:10:23,510 --> 01:10:20,940
it was a little thing that I think went

1688
01:10:25,010 --> 01:10:23,520
nowhere anyway but I remembered just as

1689
01:10:27,620 --> 01:10:25,020
before I started speaking I thought oh

1690
01:10:29,840 --> 01:10:27,630
my god like they're gonna be people who

1691
01:10:33,050 --> 01:10:29,850
don't know me you're gonna hear my words

1692
01:10:35,180 --> 01:10:33,060
and that's going to have an effect on on

1693
01:10:37,910 --> 01:10:35,190
their thinking like including young

1694
01:10:40,390 --> 01:10:37,920
people and I just had this idea that

1695
01:10:43,340 --> 01:10:40,400
like everything that I say matters

1696
01:10:44,960 --> 01:10:43,350
everything I say matters and therefore I

1697
01:10:49,640 --> 01:10:44,970
take it seriously and therefore I don't

1698
01:10:51,830 --> 01:10:49,650
want to just toss out something unless I

1699
01:10:54,260 --> 01:10:51,840
feel really strongly and confident about

1700
01:10:56,240 --> 01:10:54,270
it and so when when I come across

1701
01:10:59,060 --> 01:10:56,250
stories in the UFO field and there's so

1702
01:11:01,040 --> 01:10:59,070
many of them and there's a long history

1703
01:11:03,500 --> 01:11:01,050
of this this goes back an entire human

1704
01:11:05,510 --> 01:11:03,510
lifetime of stories of unconfirmed like

1705
01:11:06,890 --> 01:11:05,520
I had contact with this alien being and

1706
01:11:10,610 --> 01:11:06,900
they told me this or they told me that

1707
01:11:13,610 --> 01:11:10,620
this is an old story not a news story my

1708
01:11:15,860 --> 01:11:13,620
attitude is unless you can show me

1709
01:11:17,810 --> 01:11:15,870
genuine evidence I'm putting it in the

1710
01:11:18,890 --> 01:11:17,820
same category with all the other fake

1711
01:11:21,250 --> 01:11:18,900
stories that have happened in the past

1712
01:11:24,620 --> 01:11:21,260
and I'm just not going to accept it I

1713
01:11:26,510 --> 01:11:24,630
won't accept it I won't call someone a

1714
01:11:28,850 --> 01:11:26,520
liar I don't want to get into a personal

1715
01:11:30,920 --> 01:11:28,860
vendetta with anybody it's not healthy

1716
01:11:32,950 --> 01:11:30,930
for me and it's a waste of time frankly

1717
01:11:36,660 --> 01:11:32,960
but

1718
01:11:38,879 --> 01:11:36,670
I strongly believe in evidence-based

1719
01:11:41,129 --> 01:11:38,889
journalism

1720
01:11:43,270 --> 01:11:41,139
whether it's in ufology or not in

1721
01:11:45,550 --> 01:11:43,280
ufology doesn't matter

1722
01:11:47,020 --> 01:11:45,560
that means alternative based non

1723
01:11:48,809 --> 01:11:47,030
corporate establishment as well as

1724
01:11:52,739 --> 01:11:48,819
anything else

1725
01:11:54,989 --> 01:11:52,749
now it's hard sometimes to get the kind

1726
01:11:57,059 --> 01:11:54,999
of levels of evidence and proof that we

1727
01:12:02,009 --> 01:11:57,069
would ideally want when we're doing a

1728
01:12:04,589 --> 01:12:02,019
story and it's fair to interview someone

1729
01:12:07,589 --> 01:12:04,599
who just makes one claim like absolutely

1730
01:12:09,449 --> 01:12:07,599
it's fair and it's up to each person to

1731
01:12:11,309 --> 01:12:09,459
decide do I choose to believe this

1732
01:12:13,770 --> 01:12:11,319
person or not so there's always going to

1733
01:12:17,359 --> 01:12:13,780
be these stories out there but from my

1734
01:12:22,049 --> 01:12:17,369
part like I just feel I mean I just know

1735
01:12:25,439 --> 01:12:22,059
from the UFO feel that most people like

1736
01:12:28,469 --> 01:12:25,449
they want answers they're desperate for

1737
01:12:30,329 --> 01:12:28,479
answers and when someone comes along

1738
01:12:32,939 --> 01:12:30,339
like the next new person who comes along

1739
01:12:34,649 --> 01:12:32,949
and says I have all the answers they're

1740
01:12:36,229 --> 01:12:34,659
always gonna get a certain number of

1741
01:12:38,569 --> 01:12:36,239
people who want to latch on to them

1742
01:12:41,339 --> 01:12:38,579
because whether they have a magnetic

1743
01:12:44,969 --> 01:12:41,349
personality or they've got a really cool

1744
01:12:46,619 --> 01:12:44,979
story people will just they like it they

1745
01:12:48,479 --> 01:12:46,629
like to entertain it because most people

1746
01:12:50,309 --> 01:12:48,489
the stakes aren't relieving that high

1747
01:12:54,089 --> 01:12:50,319
what's the big deal if I choose to

1748
01:12:57,119 --> 01:12:54,099
believe this guy for me there's no way

1749
01:13:00,059 --> 01:12:57,129
like I have to be careful I can't just

1750
01:13:02,399 --> 01:13:00,069
throw in with any old person who comes

1751
01:13:04,319 --> 01:13:02,409
in without a shred of like you've got to

1752
01:13:06,539 --> 01:13:04,329
give me something man you've got to give

1753
01:13:10,109 --> 01:13:06,549
me something that I can work with I've

1754
01:13:13,799 --> 01:13:10,119
got to be able to investigate either the

1755
01:13:17,339 --> 01:13:13,809
people like if you have a claim that is

1756
01:13:19,949 --> 01:13:17,349
so outlandish like you've done time

1757
01:13:21,270 --> 01:13:19,959
travel which is one of these claims then

1758
01:13:22,929 --> 01:13:21,280
you've got to give me something extra

1759
01:13:26,319 --> 01:13:22,939
here

1760
01:13:29,949 --> 01:13:26,329
give me access to all to all the people

1761
01:13:31,089 --> 01:13:29,959
close to you give me access well what

1762
01:13:33,169 --> 01:13:31,099
has happened of course in that

1763
01:13:35,870 --> 01:13:33,179
particular case is that

1764
01:13:37,100 --> 01:13:35,880
no one I don't even like to mention

1765
01:13:39,140 --> 01:13:37,110
these people by name I don't like to

1766
01:13:41,839 --> 01:13:39,150
give him the credit fair there's a lot

1767
01:13:43,040 --> 01:13:41,849
of people in this field and ultimately

1768
01:13:45,740 --> 01:13:43,050
one of the YouTube videos I think I

1769
01:13:47,600 --> 01:13:45,750
created is why false claims ultimately

1770
01:13:50,750 --> 01:13:47,610
crash and burn I think it was something

1771
01:13:53,419 --> 01:13:50,760
like that and it's true like ultimately

1772
01:13:56,400 --> 01:13:53,429
the truth is gonna win it just often

1773
01:13:58,740 --> 01:13:56,410
takes a long time and it's frustrating

1774
01:14:02,850 --> 01:13:58,750
but I believe in the truth and I believe

1775
01:14:05,070 --> 01:14:02,860
in journalistic responsibility and it's

1776
01:14:07,470 --> 01:14:05,080
hard you know honestly

1777
01:14:09,090 --> 01:14:07,480
countless times I could have if I really

1778
01:14:11,010 --> 01:14:09,100
wanted to get more clicks or more book

1779
01:14:13,620 --> 01:14:11,020
sales or whatever I could have gone into

1780
01:14:16,870 --> 01:14:13,630
the deep end and just repeated every

1781
01:14:18,490 --> 01:14:16,880
crazy-ass story that's ever come to me

1782
01:14:20,140 --> 01:14:18,500
but I'm not gonna do it because I don't

1783
01:14:21,990 --> 01:14:20,150
believe a lot of those stories and if I

1784
01:14:25,149 --> 01:14:22,000
don't really believe it I'm not gonna

1785
01:14:26,990 --> 01:14:25,159
offer it to you or to anyone else the

1786
01:14:29,450 --> 01:14:27,000
problem is

1787
01:14:32,090 --> 01:14:29,460
there are unfortunately a number of

1788
01:14:34,220 --> 01:14:32,100
authors and public speakers who they

1789
01:14:36,620 --> 01:14:34,230
either have a really low level of what

1790
01:14:38,000 --> 01:14:36,630
they believe or they just actually are

1791
01:14:40,700 --> 01:14:38,010
consciously lying and there's both

1792
01:14:42,590 --> 01:14:40,710
groups like there are people in this

1793
01:14:44,000 --> 01:14:42,600
field who I know that they're lying I

1794
01:14:46,610 --> 01:14:44,010
know they don't believe a word of what

1795
01:14:48,800 --> 01:14:46,620
they say can't prove it but I'm pretty

1796
01:14:50,240 --> 01:14:48,810
sure they don't believe it and then

1797
01:14:54,620 --> 01:14:50,250
there's others who I just think are

1798
01:14:56,300 --> 01:14:54,630
pretty credulous I agree and it's just

1799
01:14:59,360 --> 01:14:56,310
sometimes hard to be a host in this

1800
01:15:02,900 --> 01:14:59,370
field and be attracted to extremes but

1801
01:15:05,120 --> 01:15:02,910
if the goal is to reveal things and do

1802
01:15:07,190 --> 01:15:05,130
no harm you can't go to the furthest

1803
01:15:09,920 --> 01:15:07,200
extreme because then you are doing harm

1804
01:15:11,930 --> 01:15:09,930
and there is a bit of responsibility and

1805
01:15:14,660 --> 01:15:11,940
maybe when I was 25 I didn't get it now

1806
01:15:17,870 --> 01:15:14,670
that I'm 35 I'm trying to reel back you

1807
01:15:20,930 --> 01:15:17,880
know to some to some island of sanity

1808
01:15:24,380 --> 01:15:20,940
but you know here we are so just write

1809
01:15:26,320 --> 01:15:24,390
the things that we do matter like my

1810
01:15:29,060 --> 01:15:26,330
attitude is everything I say matters

1811
01:15:30,770 --> 01:15:29,070
everything I do matters even if no one's

1812
01:15:34,490 --> 01:15:30,780
looking at me so that's how I try to

1813
01:15:36,770 --> 01:15:34,500
live my life which means that when I

1814
01:15:39,740 --> 01:15:36,780
make a public statement

1815
01:15:42,439 --> 01:15:39,750
I want to be confident of that what I'm

1816
01:15:45,439 --> 01:15:42,449
saying is at least I actually believe

1817
01:15:48,020 --> 01:15:45,449
it's true I mean I can be wrong it's no

1818
01:15:49,580 --> 01:15:48,030
sin and being wrong it's normal it's

1819
01:15:51,589 --> 01:15:49,590
normal to be wrong there's nothing wrong

1820
01:15:54,200 --> 01:15:51,599
with admitting you've been wrong in my

1821
01:15:56,390 --> 01:15:54,210
opinion I've had disagreements with all

1822
01:15:58,609 --> 01:15:56,400
kinds of people and lots of times I

1823
01:16:01,250 --> 01:15:58,619
later thought yeah I was wrong

1824
01:16:02,629 --> 01:16:01,260
and that's actually where Bertrand

1825
01:16:04,370 --> 01:16:02,639
Russell says that's where science is

1826
01:16:06,589 --> 01:16:04,380
great because if science is not

1827
01:16:08,990 --> 01:16:06,599
committed to one particular answer

1828
01:16:10,399 --> 01:16:09,000
science can be flexible and I think

1829
01:16:12,859 --> 01:16:10,409
that's the best attitude like that's

1830
01:16:13,339 --> 01:16:12,869
what you want you want to be able to

1831
01:16:15,319 --> 01:16:13,349
change your mind

1832
01:16:16,660 --> 01:16:15,329
problem by the way with being a public

1833
01:16:20,439 --> 01:16:16,670
figure

1834
01:16:22,780 --> 01:16:20,449
got this and if they deny it their line

1835
01:16:25,180 --> 01:16:22,790
is that there's always pressure like

1836
01:16:27,340 --> 01:16:25,190
once you've put a position out there in

1837
01:16:30,160 --> 01:16:27,350
the world the pressure is on you to

1838
01:16:33,669 --> 01:16:30,170
maintain that position yes and they've

1839
01:16:35,950 --> 01:16:33,679
got these expectations of you and your

1840
01:16:37,930 --> 01:16:35,960
job as a public figure is to fight that

1841
01:16:39,669 --> 01:16:37,940
every inch of the way because the fact

1842
01:16:42,160 --> 01:16:39,679
is you're always going to be in danger

1843
01:16:43,830 --> 01:16:42,170
of solidifying and losing your

1844
01:16:46,050 --> 01:16:43,840
flexibility

1845
01:16:47,550 --> 01:16:46,060
if you're not a public figure who cares

1846
01:16:49,050 --> 01:16:47,560
if you change your opinion no one cares

1847
01:16:51,629 --> 01:16:49,060
if you're a public figure and you do a

1848
01:16:54,720 --> 01:16:51,639
180 well then people like they get upset

1849
01:16:56,550 --> 01:16:54,730
with you and no one should deceive

1850
01:16:58,500 --> 01:16:56,560
themselves like there's a tremendous

1851
01:17:02,010 --> 01:16:58,510
psychological pressure on everyone

1852
01:17:04,890 --> 01:17:02,020
including myself to do that now the

1853
01:17:07,379 --> 01:17:04,900
difference with me is I remind myself of

1854
01:17:10,500 --> 01:17:07,389
this all the time and I always try to

1855
01:17:14,040 --> 01:17:10,510
fight it and I do my best you know I

1856
01:17:16,220 --> 01:17:14,050
mean I do my best but fortunately I'm in

1857
01:17:19,140 --> 01:17:16,230
a good position where I actually like

1858
01:17:21,620 --> 01:17:19,150
the public positions I have I believe

1859
01:17:23,120 --> 01:17:21,630
them I genuinely believe

1860
01:17:26,660 --> 01:17:23,130
but ultimately it means being

1861
01:17:29,480 --> 01:17:26,670
evidence-based and because I've staked

1862
01:17:31,070 --> 01:17:29,490
that out very consciously I don't mind

1863
01:17:34,490 --> 01:17:31,080
if I have to change my opinion on things

1864
01:17:35,690 --> 01:17:34,500
like I don't mind too much the thing is

1865
01:17:37,760 --> 01:17:35,700
when you change your opinion you're

1866
01:17:40,670 --> 01:17:37,770
implicitly recognizing oh well I was

1867
01:17:42,620 --> 01:17:40,680
wrong was I therefore stupid you know

1868
01:17:44,540 --> 01:17:42,630
did I believe this really dumb thing for

1869
01:17:46,700 --> 01:17:44,550
a long time and sometimes that's true

1870
01:17:48,740 --> 01:17:46,710
that's unfortunate it's the problem that

1871
01:17:51,080 --> 01:17:48,750
academia in have is like they're

1872
01:17:53,630 --> 01:17:51,090
sometimes the most pigheaded dumb people

1873
01:17:55,070 --> 01:17:53,640
on UFOs ever because they've been in

1874
01:17:57,140 --> 01:17:55,080
this field for a long time they've

1875
01:17:58,880 --> 01:17:57,150
denied it denied it denied it denied it

1876
01:18:01,430 --> 01:17:58,890
they're very accomplished in their field

1877
01:18:02,990 --> 01:18:01,440
they're very intelligent generally they

1878
01:18:05,720 --> 01:18:03,000
think they're smarter than most other

1879
01:18:07,700 --> 01:18:05,730
people and so they don't want to this is

1880
01:18:10,130 --> 01:18:07,710
an insult to their intelligence that's

1881
01:18:13,280 --> 01:18:10,140
really what it is and they you know get

1882
01:18:15,830 --> 01:18:13,290
them to admit that good luck though very

1883
01:18:17,900 --> 01:18:15,840
few very few people will do that right

1884
01:18:19,520 --> 01:18:17,910
they get committed but man I'm so glad

1885
01:18:20,810 --> 01:18:19,530
you said some of those things they're

1886
01:18:22,280 --> 01:18:20,820
very helpful for me I wouldn't be

1887
01:18:24,740 --> 01:18:22,290
thinking about that for a long time I'm

1888
01:18:26,270 --> 01:18:24,750
sure but Richard this has been awesome a

1889
01:18:28,010 --> 01:18:26,280
real honor and a pleasure I've

1890
01:18:30,170 --> 01:18:28,020
definitely tried to mobilize my

1891
01:18:32,030 --> 01:18:30,180
resources lately to get you here and I'm

1892
01:18:33,560 --> 01:18:32,040
sure you heard it from a couple

1893
01:18:35,330 --> 01:18:33,570
different sides and I appreciate it

1894
01:18:36,740 --> 01:18:35,340
because I know you're busy and I know my

1895
01:18:39,020 --> 01:18:36,750
branding and everything can seem a bit

1896
01:18:40,370 --> 01:18:39,030
wild and over the top and some serious

1897
01:18:42,560 --> 01:18:40,380
people don't want to be associated with

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01:18:44,990 --> 01:18:42,570
all that in the silly conspiracy minded

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01:18:47,360 --> 01:18:45,000
stoner dropout host but I'm trying to

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01:18:49,160 --> 01:18:47,370
[\h__\h] preconceived notions of what that

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01:18:51,320 --> 01:18:49,170
means just like you might be for what

1902
01:18:53,720 --> 01:18:51,330
people think of ufology researchers so

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01:18:55,340 --> 01:18:53,730
thanks for taking the risk before we go

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01:18:57,200 --> 01:18:55,350
I definitely want to encourage people to

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01:18:59,660 --> 01:18:57,210
read your books you also have a member

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01:19:01,580 --> 01:18:59,670
site that has so much high quality

1907
01:19:03,800 --> 01:19:01,590
information for people who want to kick

1908
01:19:06,110 --> 01:19:03,810
it up a notch but do take just a minute

1909
01:19:08,000 --> 01:19:06,120
to tell them where they can further

1910
01:19:10,670 --> 01:19:08,010
scratch the Richard Dolan itch so to

1911
01:19:11,870 --> 01:19:10,680
speak thank you

1912
01:19:13,340 --> 01:19:11,880
and by the way I've really enjoyed this

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01:19:15,980 --> 01:19:13,350
with you Greg it was a great

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01:19:16,340 --> 01:19:15,990
conversation so yeah I enjoyed it very

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01:19:18,950 --> 01:19:16,350
much

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01:19:21,290 --> 01:19:18,960
I've got two main websites one for my

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01:19:24,140 --> 01:19:21,300
books it's Richard Olin Press it's easy

1918
01:19:25,850 --> 01:19:24,150
to navigate through I published some

1919
01:19:27,230 --> 01:19:25,860
books by other individuals as well some

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01:19:30,800 --> 01:19:27,240
really good authors you can check those

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01:19:33,440 --> 01:19:30,810
out and my most active website is

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01:19:35,870 --> 01:19:33,450
richard golden members calm where i put

1923
01:19:38,060 --> 01:19:35,880
up fresh material all the time i'm

1924
01:19:39,920 --> 01:19:38,070
constantly whether it's two articles or

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01:19:40,130 --> 01:19:39,930
off-the-cuff videos and i record all the

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01:19:42,680 --> 01:19:40,140
time

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01:19:45,080 --> 01:19:42,690
i have a weekly hour-long podcast that's

1928
01:19:46,970 --> 01:19:45,090
four members of that site and part twos

1929
01:19:49,460 --> 01:19:46,980
of my radio program are on there as well

1930
01:19:51,290 --> 01:19:49,470
just I think like you've got so that's

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01:19:52,760 --> 01:19:51,300
quite active at Richelieu members and

1932
01:19:55,220 --> 01:19:52,770
then I've got the YouTube channel which

1933
01:19:56,720 --> 01:19:55,230
is just type my name in for YouTube

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01:19:58,490 --> 01:19:56,730
Richard Dolan you'll find it Richard M

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01:19:59,990 --> 01:19:58,500
Dolan

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and those are the main areas where I do

1937
01:20:05,170 --> 01:20:02,250
a lot of my activity these days I've got

1938
01:20:07,730 --> 01:20:05,180
lots of videos I do a weekly program

1939
01:20:09,650 --> 01:20:07,740
with my wife Tracy called intelligent

1940
01:20:11,540 --> 01:20:09,660
disclosure I've got interview based

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01:20:14,540 --> 01:20:11,550
program called the virtue talent show

1942
01:20:17,630 --> 01:20:14,550
and I'll do any number of solo live

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01:20:19,790 --> 01:20:17,640
streams as well right on so that's what

1944
01:20:21,710 --> 01:20:19,800
keeps me going and I'm trying to get

1945
01:20:23,540 --> 01:20:21,720
various writing projects done I'm gonna

1946
01:20:24,800 --> 01:20:23,550
get volume three of UFOs international

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01:20:28,550 --> 01:20:24,810
security state in the tank one of these

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01:20:30,590 --> 01:20:28,560
days working on it well thanks again I

1949
01:20:32,570 --> 01:20:30,600
gotta let you go some time even though

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01:20:35,650 --> 01:20:32,580
we didn't get two transistors my labs

1951
01:20:38,120 --> 01:20:35,660
the Moon or Mars but this was a plan God

1952
01:20:40,070 --> 01:20:38,130
hopefully we both get some fresh members

1953
01:20:42,890 --> 01:20:40,080
and when you finish that false flag book

1954
01:20:45,530 --> 01:20:42,900
I hope we can talk again until then keep

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01:20:49,790 --> 01:20:45,540
fighting the good fight my man thank you

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01:20:57,190 --> 01:20:53,030
and boom goes the dynamite dear people

1957
01:21:00,050 --> 01:20:57,200
the great Richard Dolan finally got him

1958
01:21:02,720 --> 01:21:00,060
not the easiest pair of political

1959
01:21:05,450 --> 01:21:02,730
Pokemon to catch and for good reason he

1960
01:21:07,670 --> 01:21:05,460
is one of the Great's and given that his

1961
01:21:09,740 --> 01:21:07,680
time is pretty in demand and he's always

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01:21:12,500 --> 01:21:09,750
working I didn't want to put him through

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01:21:14,300 --> 01:21:12,510
the same-old same-old kind of interview

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01:21:17,360 --> 01:21:14,310
and I wanted to try to frame things up

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01:21:19,780 --> 01:21:17,370
around the idea of bypassing the

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01:21:23,000 --> 01:21:19,790
national security state all together and

1967
01:21:25,730 --> 01:21:23,010
asking are there ways that we can

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01:21:28,190 --> 01:21:25,740
actually maybe get to direct contact

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01:21:30,500 --> 01:21:28,200
rather than wanting to know what they

1970
01:21:33,470 --> 01:21:30,510
know or hoping that they open up some of

1971
01:21:35,420 --> 01:21:33,480
this stuff of course I don't see Richard

1972
01:21:37,700 --> 01:21:35,430
as one of these guys who's hopelessly

1973
01:21:40,520 --> 01:21:37,710
waiting for disclosure it would be a

1974
01:21:42,980 --> 01:21:40,530
huge disservice to his work to say that

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01:21:46,210 --> 01:21:42,990
but in my opinion if you want these

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01:21:48,650 --> 01:21:46,220
answers bad enough maybe there are

1977
01:21:51,010 --> 01:21:48,660
outside-of-the-box ways to make direct

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01:21:54,500 --> 01:21:51,020
contact with non-human entities

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01:21:57,230 --> 01:21:54,510
I'm not point blank saying that spirit

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01:22:00,970 --> 01:21:57,240
contact or Indio genic contact is the

1981
01:22:03,710 --> 01:22:00,980
same as ET beans but it's a decent

1982
01:22:07,760 --> 01:22:03,720
consolation prize if the alternative

1983
01:22:10,500 --> 01:22:07,770
option is true unspun disclosure and

1984
01:22:12,240 --> 01:22:10,510
waiting for that to show up

1985
01:22:13,919 --> 01:22:12,250
I guess I just think of it as a numbers

1986
01:22:15,870 --> 01:22:13,929
game because if a lot of the public

1987
01:22:19,589 --> 01:22:15,880
isn't going to be convinced until this

1988
01:22:22,859 --> 01:22:19,599
is on the legacy media cable news

1989
01:22:24,660 --> 01:22:22,869
channels I got five grams of mushrooms

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01:22:28,080 --> 01:22:24,670
that might help get them there without

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01:22:31,589 --> 01:22:28,090
that barrier of entry that might never

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01:22:35,069 --> 01:22:31,599
come you know potentially before we

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01:22:37,229 --> 01:22:35,079
request more from an aging invisible

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01:22:39,020 --> 01:22:37,239
college for the umpteenth time again and

1995
01:22:41,549 --> 01:22:39,030
again it isn't willing to give us much

1996
01:22:43,919 --> 01:22:41,559
we could just smoke a little salvia

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01:22:46,680 --> 01:22:43,929
divinorum in the right set and setting

1998
01:22:48,810 --> 01:22:46,690
and gain more from that experience than

1999
01:22:52,859 --> 01:22:48,820
a decade's worth of slow highly

2000
01:22:54,810 --> 01:22:52,869
controlled drips maybe maybe not but I

2001
01:22:58,439 --> 01:22:54,820
also think about the work that's been

2002
01:23:01,350 --> 01:22:58,449
done on astral projection and the work

2003
01:23:05,189 --> 01:23:01,360
that's been done on remote viewing and I

2004
01:23:08,640 --> 01:23:05,199
think maybe spirits are the astral

2005
01:23:09,979 --> 01:23:08,650
projections of beans in another place in

2006
01:23:12,709 --> 01:23:09,989
the universe

2007
01:23:15,750 --> 01:23:12,719
maybe the mind-to-mind communication

2008
01:23:20,100 --> 01:23:15,760
that happens with some of the protocols

2009
01:23:22,020 --> 01:23:20,110
out there in ufology is a psy effect

2010
01:23:24,149 --> 01:23:22,030
that we've actually got quite a lot of

2011
01:23:27,600 --> 01:23:24,159
data here on this planet that yeah

2012
01:23:30,509 --> 01:23:27,610
humans have this ability we focus on the

2013
01:23:33,359 --> 01:23:30,519
nuts and bolts sometimes but our best

2014
01:23:35,819 --> 01:23:33,369
methods for projecting ourself outward

2015
01:23:38,260 --> 01:23:35,829
aren't these tin can rockets it seems to

2016
01:23:41,320 --> 01:23:38,270
be our own mind

2017
01:23:43,930 --> 01:23:41,330
but I am just a simple stoner college

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01:23:46,660 --> 01:23:43,940
dropout podcast host what do I know

2019
01:23:49,360 --> 01:23:46,670
but it feels like it might be time to

2020
01:23:51,580 --> 01:23:49,370
get creative and strategic and maybe

2021
01:23:54,310 --> 01:23:51,590
even throw some Hail Marys if we want

2022
01:23:56,560 --> 01:23:54,320
any serious progress so I thought that

2023
01:23:58,360 --> 01:23:56,570
would be a good creative direction to go

2024
01:24:00,430 --> 01:23:58,370
because anyone who's followed Richard's

2025
01:24:02,440 --> 01:24:00,440
work over the years or has listened to

2026
01:24:04,660 --> 01:24:02,450
the higher side chats for the decade

2027
01:24:06,880 --> 01:24:04,670
that we've been doing this they probably

2028
01:24:09,370 --> 01:24:06,890
have a pretty good handle on the history

2029
01:24:12,640 --> 01:24:09,380
of government interest in UFOs itself I

2030
01:24:15,490 --> 01:24:12,650
do think his surveillance state comments

2031
01:24:17,470 --> 01:24:15,500
are more poignant than ever and he has

2032
01:24:20,110 --> 01:24:17,480
an expertise that spills over into

2033
01:24:24,310 --> 01:24:20,120
several great areas that most people

2034
01:24:26,500 --> 01:24:24,320
consider overly compartmentalized and a

2035
01:24:29,140 --> 01:24:26,510
lot of shows like THC don't even feel

2036
01:24:32,290 --> 01:24:29,150
comfortable covering both false flags

2037
01:24:34,330 --> 01:24:32,300
and aliens so it's a great fit for us to

2038
01:24:37,300 --> 01:24:34,340
spend some time with a guest who has

2039
01:24:39,690 --> 01:24:37,310
that and it's fitting that this episode

2040
01:24:43,060 --> 01:24:39,700
comes right after Allen Greenfield

2041
01:24:45,010 --> 01:24:43,070
because his biggest gripe for a point

2042
01:24:47,680 --> 01:24:45,020
that he goes over several times in his

2043
01:24:51,550 --> 01:24:47,690
book secret cipher of the ephah knots is

2044
01:24:54,459 --> 01:24:51,560
that the magic / occult / ritual contact

2045
01:24:56,860 --> 01:24:54,469
people and the ufologists they don't

2046
01:24:58,690 --> 01:24:56,870
talk to each other enough in fact a lot

2047
01:25:00,229 --> 01:24:58,700
of times they have contempt for the

2048
01:25:01,370 --> 01:25:00,239
other group

2049
01:25:03,620 --> 01:25:01,380
but at a minimum they aren't

2050
01:25:06,380 --> 01:25:03,630
knowledgeable enough about what the

2051
01:25:08,510 --> 01:25:06,390
other groups datasets happen to contain

2052
01:25:10,459 --> 01:25:08,520
and it's a shame because if they shared

2053
01:25:13,490 --> 01:25:10,469
notes they'd see a lot of strange

2054
01:25:16,490 --> 01:25:13,500
similarities and Richard said today a

2055
01:25:18,260 --> 01:25:16,500
lot of conspiracy or UFO disclosure

2056
01:25:19,790 --> 01:25:18,270
folks they just don't know their history

2057
01:25:22,670 --> 01:25:19,800
well enough or they don't know enough

2058
01:25:25,520 --> 01:25:22,680
about how governments operate to make

2059
01:25:25,970 --> 01:25:25,530
the claims that they make it's a fair

2060
01:25:27,440 --> 01:25:25,980
point

2061
01:25:30,290 --> 01:25:27,450
I'm embarrassed by my own history

2062
01:25:32,900 --> 01:25:30,300
Rolodex sometimes which is why I just

2063
01:25:35,150 --> 01:25:32,910
ask the questions but I've always liked

2064
01:25:37,660 --> 01:25:35,160
Richards approach and Damir and

2065
01:25:40,550 --> 01:25:37,670
personality I've dealt with some real

2066
01:25:43,190 --> 01:25:40,560
egomaniacs and divas over the years

2067
01:25:46,610 --> 01:25:43,200
hosting a show like this some people

2068
01:25:48,770 --> 01:25:46,620
twice my age are shockingly difficult to

2069
01:25:51,050 --> 01:25:48,780
deal with but with a background in

2070
01:25:53,209 --> 01:25:51,060
retail you learn to just overlook it and

2071
01:25:56,479 --> 01:25:53,219
deal with difficult people anyway by

2072
01:25:58,100 --> 01:25:56,489
just accepting a little disrespect in

2073
01:26:00,380 --> 01:25:58,110
the interest of just getting to the

2074
01:26:03,880 --> 01:26:00,390
point so it's nice when you don't have

2075
01:26:06,260 --> 01:26:03,890
to just acquiesce to somebody's ego and

2076
01:26:08,540 --> 01:26:06,270
Richards ways are actually pretty

2077
01:26:11,000 --> 01:26:08,550
important in times like these if you

2078
01:26:13,130 --> 01:26:11,010
have a disagreement talk it out but

2079
01:26:16,190 --> 01:26:13,140
focus on the data and the arguments

2080
01:26:20,420 --> 01:26:16,200
rather than hurling emotional attacks at

2081
01:26:22,790 --> 01:26:20,430
a person these are polarized times and I

2082
01:26:24,709 --> 01:26:22,800
like how he tends to say I'm not

2083
01:26:28,120 --> 01:26:24,719
convinced by that argument instead of

2084
01:26:31,120 --> 01:26:28,130
you're wrong everyone's got opinions

2085
01:26:34,580 --> 01:26:31,130
particularly in the wake of a mess like

2086
01:26:36,260 --> 01:26:34,590
coronavirus and I try to digest as many

2087
01:26:37,550 --> 01:26:36,270
of them as I can and then float the

2088
01:26:40,130 --> 01:26:37,560
threads that I think are most

2089
01:26:43,220 --> 01:26:40,140
interesting or valuable to the top but

2090
01:26:46,550 --> 01:26:43,230
it's important to remember respect and

2091
01:26:49,850 --> 01:26:46,560
kindness when everybody seems a bit more

2092
01:26:51,320 --> 01:26:49,860
volatile than usual I would also mention

2093
01:26:53,810 --> 01:26:51,330
again that if you want to hear the

2094
01:26:55,820 --> 01:26:53,820
interview on ufology consciousness and

2095
01:26:58,280 --> 01:26:55,830
disclosure that I think is a real

2096
01:26:58,850 --> 01:26:58,290
contender for podcast interview of the

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01:27:02,420 --> 01:26:58,860
year

2098
01:27:05,300 --> 01:27:02,430
it's Richard Dolan and Alex Sicarius on

2099
01:27:07,280 --> 01:27:05,310
sceptic oh I'm going to link to it in

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01:27:10,790 --> 01:27:07,290
the show notes because I enjoyed it so

2101
01:27:13,010 --> 01:27:10,800
much I think we always sort of admire

2102
01:27:14,180 --> 01:27:13,020
someone else's ability to do what we're

2103
01:27:18,080 --> 01:27:14,190
not very good at

2104
01:27:21,110 --> 01:27:18,090
and Alex is so debate ready and has this

2105
01:27:23,689 --> 01:27:21,120
hold your feet to the fire style that I

2106
01:27:25,430 --> 01:27:23,699
could never really duplicate and he's

2107
01:27:28,010 --> 01:27:25,440
just another great guy I'm lucky to know

2108
01:27:30,439 --> 01:27:28,020
I guess I would also throw out there

2109
01:27:33,170 --> 01:27:30,449
that since richard has his own robust

2110
01:27:35,720 --> 01:27:33,180
members club the Plus show is going to

2111
01:27:38,390 --> 01:27:35,730
be available for them also and to those

2112
01:27:40,160 --> 01:27:38,400
folks I say hi there in hello I hope you

2113
01:27:42,500 --> 01:27:40,170
enjoyed the vibe of this thing and maybe

2114
01:27:44,570 --> 01:27:42,510
you want to check out more of my big old

2115
01:27:47,900 --> 01:27:44,580
archive over at the higher side chats

2116
01:27:49,640 --> 01:27:47,910
comm anyway in the second hour for

2117
01:27:52,160 --> 01:27:49,650
people who didn't hear it we got into

2118
01:27:55,600 --> 01:27:52,170
Wilhelm Reich and the potential for

2119
01:27:59,720 --> 01:27:55,610
attracting UFOs with the cloudbuster gun

2120
01:28:02,870 --> 01:27:59,730
Porton sexual energy and aliens hybrids

2121
01:28:05,840 --> 01:28:02,880
spiritual technologies self-organizing

2122
01:28:09,170 --> 01:28:05,850
plasmas and consciousness and of course

2123
01:28:11,300 --> 01:28:09,180
the real reptilians among us although

2124
01:28:14,209 --> 01:28:11,310
that does remind me I asked Richard

2125
01:28:16,010 --> 01:28:14,219
about plasmas and he did say he didn't

2126
01:28:17,900 --> 01:28:16,020
feel too comfortable going too deep

2127
01:28:20,660 --> 01:28:17,910
because he hasn't combed over that

2128
01:28:22,850 --> 01:28:20,670
material like he might want to but he

2129
01:28:24,380 --> 01:28:22,860
knows a guy whose finger is very much on

2130
01:28:25,820 --> 01:28:24,390
the pulse of that you probably heard him

2131
01:28:29,030 --> 01:28:25,830
say that and he mentioned putting us in

2132
01:28:31,400 --> 01:28:29,040
contact while true to his word he did

2133
01:28:34,400 --> 01:28:31,410
put us in contact and I've been talking

2134
01:28:36,709 --> 01:28:34,410
to this guy for the last couple weeks he

2135
01:28:39,050 --> 01:28:36,719
wants to remain kind of anonymous and he

2136
01:28:42,860 --> 01:28:39,060
was hesitant at first but he has agreed

2137
01:28:45,580 --> 01:28:42,870
to break it all down for us on THC and I

2138
01:28:49,330 --> 01:28:45,590
know it's going to be a super unique

2139
01:28:52,490 --> 01:28:49,340
great show so big thanks to Richard for

2140
01:28:56,240 --> 01:28:52,500
helping me facilitate that as well it's

2141
01:28:58,130 --> 01:28:56,250
gonna be quite wild and - my own plus

2142
01:29:00,229 --> 01:28:58,140
members I would say consider peeking

2143
01:29:03,170 --> 01:29:00,239
under the hood of Richard Dolan members

2144
01:29:06,560 --> 01:29:03,180
calm he's got no shortage of quality

2145
01:29:09,229 --> 01:29:06,570
content and if you want a really great

2146
01:29:11,840 --> 01:29:09,239
complete front-to-back primer on the

2147
01:29:14,540 --> 01:29:11,850
history of ufology ufos for the 21st

2148
01:29:17,300 --> 01:29:14,550
century mind is pretty much my gold

2149
01:29:20,209 --> 01:29:17,310
standard and with that I'm getting out

2150
01:29:21,820 --> 01:29:20,219
of here stay safe stay skeptical and

2151
01:29:25,250 --> 01:29:21,830
just be kind to each other

2152
01:29:27,500 --> 01:29:25,260
putting the fear of face-to-face human

2153
01:29:31,520 --> 01:29:27,510
interaction and contact into

2154
01:29:35,060 --> 01:29:31,530
society is a very scary place to be

2155
01:29:36,919 --> 01:29:35,070
justified or not I can only hope it's

2156
01:29:41,359 --> 01:29:36,929
temporary because we need human contact

2157
01:29:45,589 --> 01:29:41,369
and people need to work and I don't want

2158
01:29:48,799 --> 01:29:45,599
to see fear panic and hype convince us

2159
01:29:52,100 --> 01:29:48,809
as a society to pay a price that ends up

2160
01:29:54,350 --> 01:29:52,110
being too high I don't know where that

2161
01:29:58,490 --> 01:29:54,360
line is but it is important to remember

2162
01:30:00,229 --> 01:29:58,500
that there is that line somewhere anyway

2163
01:30:02,959 --> 01:30:00,239
hopefully these strange times will be

2164
01:30:05,839 --> 01:30:02,969
behind us soon enough and we can come

2165
01:30:09,609 --> 01:30:05,849
out the other side not taking the

2166
01:30:12,379 --> 01:30:09,619
nuances of life and humanity for granted

2167
01:30:14,720 --> 01:30:12,389
take care out there I've done my part

2168
01:30:17,240 --> 01:30:14,730
your move deep state disclosure deniers

2169
01:30:22,100 --> 01:30:17,250
breakaway civilizations and agents of

2170
01:30:28,659 --> 01:30:22,110
the et info quarantine your [\h__\h] move

2171
01:30:33,310 --> 01:30:28,669
oh no you see

2172
01:30:38,100 --> 01:30:33,320
the world isn't random it's attached

2173
01:30:43,899 --> 01:30:38,110
above our strength control over

2174
01:30:50,560 --> 01:30:43,909
everything the 95 is trying to steal

2175
01:30:57,160 --> 01:30:50,570
your now don't that job seem silly hello

2176
01:31:01,620 --> 01:30:57,170
here should I play back recordings from

2177
01:31:05,010 --> 01:31:01,630
some spy agency which we were younger

2178
01:31:08,920 --> 01:31:05,020
[Music]

2179
01:31:12,690 --> 01:31:08,930
I'll be thankful when it's all exposed

2180
01:31:26,740 --> 01:31:12,700
the facts we received is such a

2181
01:32:25,010 --> 01:32:17,569
[Music]

2182
01:32:29,810 --> 01:32:25,020
oh no they're cartoons it's so typical

2183
01:32:38,290 --> 01:32:29,820
of me to talk about this stuff I'm sorry

2184
01:32:42,500 --> 01:32:38,300
that's good and well did you ever hear

2185
01:32:50,750 --> 01:32:42,510
argument the nothing really happens it's

2186
01:33:01,340 --> 01:32:50,760
no secret stays plugs it's done

2187
01:33:51,770 --> 01:33:10,560
[Music]

2188
01:34:27,830 --> 01:33:51,780
[Applause]